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    Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

    CNN-3:16 pm-A federal judge ordered that the U.S. military stop enforcing the don't ask, don't tell policy on Tuesday.

    Judge Virginia Phillips ordered the military "immediately to suspend and discontinue any investigation, or discharge, separation, or other proceeding, that may have been commenced under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"."
    So the next question is whether the DoJ can get a stay on this I would think. DADT's days are numbered, and this is just another step in the process.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    In my experience, most of those booted under DADT had other issues that made them unfit for service, TPTB just used DADT as an expedient method of getting them out.

    DADT was a reasonable stopgap measure to allow gays to serve. much like the "colored units" of days gone by. But, IMHO, DADT has outlived its usefulness and society is ready to accept gays serving openly.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    In my experience, most of those booted under DADT had other issues that made them unfit for service, TPTB just used DADT as an expedient method of getting them out.

    DADT was a reasonable stopgap measure to allow gays to serve. much like the "colored units" of days gone by. But, IMHO, DADT has outlived its usefulness and society is ready to accept gays serving openly.
    Don't know about the first, but I'm with you on the second paragraph.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    In my experience, most of those booted under DADT had other issues that made them unfit for service, TPTB just used DADT as an expedient method of getting them out.

    DADT was a reasonable stopgap measure to allow gays to serve. much like the "colored units" of days gone by. But, IMHO, DADT has outlived its usefulness and society is ready to accept gays serving openly.
    Based on what I have read, one of the issues with DADT is that it's enforcement has varied widely across different commands. It has definitely been used to discharge gays with stellar records and no issues with the military, but not always. It has been used by people who want out of the service as a easy way out(just tell some one in the chain of command "I am gay" and get a free and easy discharge), but again, not always, and this has been mostly stopped. I can dig up some documentation on this if you wish.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    If the judge has no authority then what good is the ruling? Its like a judge in Spain trying to try Bush for war crimes, if the judge has no authority then it is meaningless.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If the judge has no authority then what good is the ruling? Its like a judge in Spain trying to try Bush for war crimes, if the judge has no authority then it is meaningless.
    Federal judges have jurisdiction over military policies. This is all part of the civilian oversight of the military. Also, federal judges have jurisdiction over any department's, civilian or military, polices/regulations/laws. Congress sets the regulations for the military and the DADT regulation was put into place by Congress under the UCMJ.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It has definitely been used to discharge gays with stellar records and no issues with the military, but not always.
    I just don't get that. As a former unit commander I think it is incredibly stupid and short sighted to get rid of a stellar soldier simply because they are gay. If I had my way, any commander who pulled that crap would be court martialed for stupidity.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I just don't get that. As a former unit commander I think it is incredibly stupid and short sighted to get rid of a stellar soldier simply because they are gay. If I had my way, any commander who pulled that crap would be court martialed for stupidity.
    Oh, you are absolutely right, and like I said, it varied from unit to unit. At least at one time, training on DADT was less than ideal, and since the discharges are handled at the command level, some would turn a blind eye to technical violations of DADT, while some would overzealously enforce it.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oh, you are absolutely right, and like I said, it varied from unit to unit. At least at one time, training on DADT was less than ideal, and since the discharges are handled at the command level, some would turn a blind eye to technical violations of DADT, while some would overzealously enforce it.
    I would hazard a guess that commanders who overzealously enforced DADT were probably hiding some self doubt about their own sexuality or were the typical "old school" hardline bigots who hate any and everyone who is the least bit "different".
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Didn't the senate rule to uphold DADT within the past couple of months? How is this ruling relevant?

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