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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Racine View Post
    Well, What is more Precious to All of Us (Civilians) than Freedom of Speech (??) Therefore why can't a Pfc. tell a Brigadier General to "Go Get Fuc**d" and say "Have Fun Today- I'm Going into Town"

    In the Civilian sector one can of course lose even a Sound solid good position in Industry by telling for example a CEO or equivilent the same thing. Someone at IBM,B of A, US Steel, Ford, MicroSoft, Quallcom, AIG, etc can do it any lose out totally - be even escorted off the premises - BUT - They don't get Locked up. In the Military YOU DO.

    Anybody have a problem seeing it this way and WHY it's necessary??

    Also, being that so many here are so full of advice on how the US Military should rearrange itself - I do wonder IF they've ever served .
    Many of us, including myself, have served. There are some rules that have good reason to be in place such as insubordination and fraternization. In the civilian world, fraternization might get you fired or reprimanded, but it depends on the job and usually only applies in cases where the two involved are a boss and underling or teacher and student, but this is because it just gives the impression of favoritism, but really doesn't put anyone's life at risk. In the military, fraternization could put people's lives at risk or, in some cases, severely hurt retention or reflect badly on the military. The reasons for such steep punishment for insubordination should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about military life. If a servicemember is not going to follow the orders of their seniors, then they could put their unit or at least themselves or someone else at risk.

    Being gay is no more detrimental to military service, in itself, than being heterosexual. There are some heterosexual relationships that some in the military would not approve of, such as mixed race or mixed religion. I've worked with a guy whose wife actually divorced him and married a guy who worked with us, but there isn't a rule to cover this. I see this type of relationship to have the potential to being much more detrimental to morale than someone who is just gay.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Speaking of authority, I wonder what Obama could do as Commander and Chief? Could he ignore the judges opinion and set the policy?
    Actually no, he cannot.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    As for the Gay ruling when and if it proves to be a mistake that leads to death them the Judge who made the decision should face prison for manslaughter.
    How would this lead to death?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How would this lead to death?
    Don't you know anything Deuce?

    If we let gays serve openly, they'll be playing dance music all night in their foxhole, giving away their position, ultimately leading to the deaths of their squadmates.

    (Or so I'm sure some on the right are deathly afraid of, you know, the same people that believe after everyones gone to bed, Obama has a secret room in the white house where he gives away American Secrets to Kenyans over the internet)

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So the next question is whether the DoJ can get a stay on this I would think. DADT's days are numbered, and this is just another step in the process.
    The bigoted homophobes that brought DADT into law are embarassments to our country.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually no, he cannot.
    He -could- if DADT was created under one of the powers of the CinC that are not subject to review.
    But, DADT was created by legislation, and so -is- subject to review.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How would this lead to death?
    homophobe beating a gay dude to death the first time he looked at him funny when he dropped the soap in the shower?
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    homophobe beating a gay dude to death the first time he looked at him funny when he dropped the soap in the shower?
    I'm not really sure why you find that situation so amusing.

    Of course, seeing as there are already gay dudes in those shower rooms...
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm not really sure why you find that situation so amusing.

    Of course, seeing as there are already gay dudes in those shower rooms...
    I'm really not so sure why you take everything so seriously.
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    idea Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm not really sure why you find that situation so amusing.

    Of course, seeing as there are already gay dudes in those shower rooms...
    Speaking of showering in the military...Gay guys/gals can shower together... why can't straight guys/gals shower together?? It seems like discrimination and unfair to allow gays to check out each others "complete package" in a semi-public forum and not let straights do the same. Forget the gender part... It's a double standard and sexual discrimination against straights. Why can't the military simply have unisex showers, foxholes, barracks... etc. makes sense to me... I'm a gonna rite my congressman.

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