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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Well of course there are, but there are bases elsewhere is what I am getting at. I just don't understand the need for districts/circuits, if the effect of their rulings are going to be considered nationwide.
    Except that when a Circuit Court rules that it usually only affects that circuit. The only federal court that affects every state equally is the Supreme Court.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, judicial activism would have been to create a whole new law.
    He is trying to cancel a federal law and in doing so by passing the legislative branch of the gov. A perfect case of judicial activism.........
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Rosie, the warning for gays to still not come out comes from a private advocacy group, Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. It will probably not be seen by all gay service people, though any gay servicemember who does not follow the words from SLDN is a fool, it is a truly great group.
    I wouldn't come out if I were in the service, even in light of this ruling. If you do and the ruling gets overturned, you're screwed.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No they are not two different things.
    Please practice what you preach and show us how they are the same. Thanks in advance.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    Indeed, they can ask and get answered, but they now cannot do anything about the answer they get. For now. Gays are being told not to come out until it is settled for sure, whether in the Supreme Court or by the Congress.

    But not being able to enforce DADT is good. Having to study it just delayed ending it that much longer. It's just a lousy law altogether.

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    Again, you're wrong. How is it so hard for people to understand that the ban on gays in the military hasn't been lifted?
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He is trying to cancel a federal law and in doing so by passing the legislative branch of the gov. A perfect case of judicial activism.........
    The legislative laws can be struck down if they are unconstitutional, and DADT fits the bill. The term "judical activism" doesn't really mean anything. If judges make decisions within the confines of their responsibilities and powers, then they aren't stepping out of line, even if we happen to disagree. Judical activism just means you disagree with the ruling... in which case, just be honest and say you disagree. Don't act like the judges are abusing power when they're not.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The legislative laws can be struck down if they are unconstitutional, and DADT fits the bill. The term "judical activism" doesn't really mean anything. If judges make decisions within the confines of their responsibilities and powers, then they aren't stepping out of line, even if we happen to disagree. Judical activism just means you disagree with the ruling... in which case, just be honest and say you disagree. Don't act like the judges are abusing power when they're not.
    The funniest part of all this, is when the JCS tells the circuit court to eat **** and die and dare the circuit to do something about it.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Please practice what you preach and show us how they are the same. Thanks in advance.
    And as always I come through when asked. The policy banning homosexuals from serving in the military is DoDD 1332.14(http://dont.stanford.edu/regulations/regulation41.pdf). Now here is a quote from the directive enacting DADT(http://www.sldn.org/page/-/Website/T...D%20Policy.pdf)

    Revisions have been made to the policy pertaining to separation for homosexual conduct reflected in DoDD 1332.14, “Enlisted Administrative Separations,” and DoDD 1332.30, “Separations of Regular Officers,” to emphasize that DoD judges the suitability of persons to serve in the Armed Forces on the basis of conduct to distinguish sexual orientation, which is personal and private, from homosexual acts and from statements that reflect an intent or propensity to engage in homosexual acts; and to make clear the procedural rights of a servicemember proposed for separation as a result of a statement that he or she is a homosexual.
    In summary, DADT changed the military policy.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He is trying to cancel a federal law and in doing so by passing the legislative branch of the gov. A perfect case of judicial activism.........
    If a law violates the constitution, that is what the judge is supposed to do. That is not judicial activism.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    The legislative laws can be struck down if they are unconstitutional, and DADT fits the bill. The term "judical activism" doesn't really mean anything. If judges make decisions within the confines of their responsibilities and powers, then they aren't stepping out of line, even if we happen to disagree. Judical activism just means you disagree with the ruling... in which case, just be honest and say you disagree. Don't act like the judges are abusing power when they're not.
    The question I am having, is that at what level of the court system do they have the authority to go from upholding legislative law, to overturning it? I'm not law savvy at all, and I don't understand how someone in # circuit court can strike down legislative law passed in Washington D.C. I would figure that is the purview of the Supreme Court exclusively, but it appears that may be wrong.
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