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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

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    But imagine how awesome the uniforms would be!
    The uniforms would have to be better than the digitized, puke green, can't be pressed and starched crap they're wearing now.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Peh!

    Puke green is totally the new black.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, that's why you thought that DADT was the actual ban on gays in the military and that the abolition of DADT would make everything wonderful.
    You seem confused about the concept of modifying laws and rules as time goes on. DADT is the current ban on gays serving, which was implemented by changing DoD regulations, as I have proven with links to the actual DADT implementation. Feel free to offer any evidence to your claims, you have not yet done it.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You seem confused about the concept of modifying laws and rules as time goes on. DADT is the current ban on gays serving, which was implemented by changing DoD regulations, as I have proven with links to the actual DADT implementation. Feel free to offer any evidence to your claims, you have not yet done it.
    Show us which DoD regs were changed and how they were changed. Thanks in advance.

    Again, when a regulation is dropped, the last standing regulation is in effect. Just like operational orders. If DADT is dropped, then DD1332 is currently in effect. It's how the military works. You should already know that.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us which DoD regs were changed and how they were changed. Thanks in advance.

    Again, when a regulation is dropped, the last standing regulation is in effect. Just like operational orders. If DADT is dropped, then DD1332 is currently in effect. It's how the military works. You should already know that.
    Did that. Now you show something.

    You are wrong on pretty much everything you have said, and offered no evidence to show otherwise.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did that. Now you show something.
    No, you didn't. Might wanna start trying.

    You are wrong on pretty much everything you have said, and offered no evidence to show otherwise.
    Anyone that has ever served in the military, especially in a leadership position knows that the last standing regulation takes effect, when the current regulation is countermanded. Anyone that doesn't know that, didn't make it past the rank of E-3, or is lieing when they say they served in the military.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, you didn't. Might wanna start trying.



    Anyone that has ever served in the military, especially in a leadership position knows that the last standing regulation takes effect, when the current regulation is countermanded. Anyone that doesn't know that, didn't make it past the rank of E-3, or is lieing when they say they served in the military.
    You need to face reality, DOD is the one who is conducting the current review in progress so that they can figure out the problems that might come from allowing gays to serve openly in the military, not just the repeal of DADT. Much of the upper brass of the military is for allowing gays to serve openly. This tells me, that when it comes down to it, it is most likely that the military itself will change any rules or orders that may be necessary to ensure that gays can serve openly. It is not very likely that Congress would take it very well if they repealed all the codes/acts/whatever on their part to ensure that gays can serve openly, but then the military decides to go ahead and try to prevent that from happening. The military is still accountable to Congress, the SCOTUS, and most importantly, the President, who is the CIC.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Here's the problem the top guys in Washington are concerned with... if gays serve openly.

    First off... motivating the enemy is a problem and we can't forget who we're fighting. Everyone knows Muslims are homophobes who would just as soon shoot a gay man as look at him. The brass are thinking the timing isn't quite right for this.... We gotta either pull out first or else kill all the muslims.

    There are some other considerations aside from the current war...

    #1. There will be significantly less "bubbas" joining up... and we need our bubbas because they're some bad ass mother ****ers who have no problem going into tough/hot spots where the enemy needs killing...

    #2. There will be a whole lot more "ruperts" joining up. We need our ruperts too because the military can't exist without cooks, clerks, nurses... etc

    So the end result could be a need for a draft.... which we all know the libs aint gonna let happen. Damn it!! They're also thinking they might need to significantly increase the payscale and give more bonuses to the combat troops... to keep them in and coming in.

    These are the kinda thoughts going on in these Generals minds as they consider this issue. They're concerned there will be a major decrease in volunteers needed to fill all the more risky military occupations. The armed forces will have just a few guys joining up for the infantry and will be saturated with support forces. Now on the surface, that doesn't seem like much of a problem since less than 10% of the military actually see combat anyway... and now days we use drones, napalm...etc

    However, the DOD knows the most important thing [for national security] is how our enemys perceive us as a threat. Will they come to view us as a strong tough force ready and willing to fight or some kinda patsy that they can now push around???

    Another thing... the Joint Chiefs [after smoking some really good bud] worry that General Petreas is a closet gay and if he comes out in the open... the afghans will surrender their best looking taliban dudes to seduce our commander into pulling all our troops out early.

    AND if that happens we'll need another war... so we'll finally invade Iran and those sumbiches would like nothing better than to kill off all our gay soldiers.

    I do want to add a disclaimer to this... my wife tells me I'm suffering from dementia so I may not be thinking clearly and there might be one or two flaws to this "logic".

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Obamanator View Post
    Here's the problem the top guys in Washington are concerned with... if gays serve openly.

    First off... motivating the enemy is a problem and we can't forget who we're fighting. Everyone knows Muslims are homophobes who would just as soon shoot a gay man as look at him. The brass are thinking the timing isn't quite right for this.... We gotta either pull out first or else kill all the muslims.
    I'm sorry but

    WHAT!?!?!?!

    Even if I were to concede your point that we'd be putting gays in harms way, Aren't all soldiers regardless of anything still in harms way?

    Sorry ass excuse for an argument.

    There are some other considerations aside from the current war...

    #1. There will be significantly less "bubbas" joining up... and we need our bubbas because they're some bad ass mother ****ers who have no problem going into tough/hot spots where the enemy needs killing...
    Bubba must be flattered.

    Why can't a gay man be a bad ass mother ****er. I know some gay guys that would beat up the toughest straight guys I know.

    #2. There will be a whole lot more "ruperts" joining up. We need our ruperts too because the military can't exist without cooks, clerks, nurses... etc
    Just the fact this is what you have to say, disqualifies you from rational debate.

    These are the kinda thoughts going on in these Generals minds as they consider this issue. They're concerned there will be a major decrease in volunteers needed to fill all the more risky military occupations. The armed forces will have just a few guys joining up for the infantry and will be saturated with support forces. Now on the surface, that doesn't seem like much of a problem since less than 10% of the military actually see combat anyway... and now days we use drones, napalm...etc
    We still use napalm? :confused

    Absolute bollocks, show one piece of credible evidence that suggests that recruitment would go down if gays were allowed to serve openly (gays serve anyway)

    However, the DOD knows the most important thing [for national security] is how our enemys perceive us as a threat. Will they come to view us as a strong tough force ready and willing to fight or some kinda patsy that they can now push around???
    What's that?

    More baseless homophobic nonsense.

    I do want to add a disclaimer to this... my wife tells me I'm suffering from dementia so I may not be thinking clearly and there might be one or two flaws to this "logic".
    I'd say she's not wrong there buddy.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Funny how people use whichever stereotype fits the current conversation. Against openly serving gays? Talk about them being wimpy limp-wristed types. Ignore the other stereotype of totally ripped gay dude.
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