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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, I linked to DoDD 1332.14 earlier refuting you. Guess how DoDD 1332.14 came about...hint: it's the DoD taking the law and putting it into a military directive.

    Now, about your claims that you still have not proven...
    So, are you claiming that prior to DADT, there was no ban on gays in the miltiary? Or, are you saying that when Reagan signed DD1332, that Clinton's DADT was added to it?

    You are aware that DD1304 is what created DADT?

    If a directive is deleted, then the last directive stands, just like orders. Hence, just getting rid of DADT isn't going to have the effect that you're looking for.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    yeah, I 've heard all that before...it still doesn't make sense that a 47 y/o, 200 lb man has to do more pushups and run faster than a 120 lb 20 y/o female.

    it's the age thing. I concede the validity in your arguement if you were comparing men and women of the same general age. but when you compare a 40+ guy to a 20s girl, that arguement just doesn't hold water.



    /rant on

    this last deployment we had ~80 male officers and senior NCOs in our living area we had to share one shower trailer with 5 showers and one latrine trailer with 6 stalls. there were 6 female officers and senior NCOs that shared the other set of trailers. and they were constantly bitching about the conditions in the trailers. really? they could've almost each had a designated shower for themselves that no one else used and they could have had a designated toilet each.

    women get promoted faster, females don't get put on near as many of the "**** details" as the guys do. there are all kinds of deferrences made towards females because they are females, which they gladly take advantage of...but the first time something doesn't go their way...it's because SGT whoever is a sexist.

    bah.. /rant off
    You shoulda joined a combat arms unit. We never had to deal with that ****. Never had to take some bitch all the way back to the rear, just because her crack decided to start bleeding during a field problem.

    When I was in Baumholder, a good friend of mine was a PSG in a signal unit. He told me all kinds of pain-in-the-ass stories about dealing with females in the ranks.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, are you claiming that prior to DADT, there was no ban on gays in the miltiary? Or, are you saying that when Reagan signed DD1332, that Clinton's DADT was added to it?

    You are aware that DD1304 is what created DADT?

    If a directive is deleted, then the last directive stands, just like orders. Hence, just getting rid of DADT isn't going to have the effect that you're looking for.
    Obviously I never claimed that. DoDD 1332 came about due to directives from Congress/president. I believe at the time DADT was implemented, the most recent version was from Reagan's instruction.

    Now, about the claims you continue to not back up...
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    How about 3 new branches in the military... The Homarines, Womarines, and Biarmy

    Wouldn't that settle everything??? No DADT needed.

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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Update on this, though none of it is surprising: Justice department appeals judge's 'don't ask, don't tell' ruling - CNN.com

    The Justice Department Thursday formally appealed a federal court ruling that struck down the government's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, requesting an emergency stay to block the judge's injunction stopping enforcement of the policy.

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    Meanwhile, senior military lawyers at the Department of Defense directed military lawyers to stop any proceedings related to "don't ask, don't tell," a Pentagon spokesman said.

    The staff judge advocate generals from the military services -- the senior military lawyers -- sent an e-mail informing the military to abide by the injunction.

    "The Department of Defense will of course obey the law, and the e-mail noted that, in the meantime, the Department will abide by the terms in the court's ruling, effective as of the time and date of the ruling," said Col. Dave Lapan, Pentagon spokesman.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Obviously I never claimed that. DoDD 1332 came about due to directives from Congress/president. I believe at the time DADT was implemented, the most recent version was from Reagan's instruction.

    Now, about the claims you continue to not back up...
    So, Reagan implemented DADT in 1996? Are you serious??...
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, Reagan implemented DADT in 1996? Are you serious??...
    And again, I did not say that, I sad that the most current version of DoDD 1332 was from the Reagan era. Nice try.

    Now, are you going to put up and show any evidence for your claims?
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Obamanator View Post
    How about 3 new branches in the military... The Homarines, Womarines, and Biarmy

    Wouldn't that settle everything??? No DADT needed.

    I've always believed that the US military should have male units and female units and if gays want to serve openly, there should be gay only units. Female, male and gay units could be made of all the arms.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And again, I did not say that, I sad that the most current version of DoDD 1332 was from the Reagan era. Nice try.

    Now, are you going to put up and show any evidence for your claims?
    I already have. Perhaps you missed it, during your semantic theater?

    You'd never heard of DD1332, before I posted a few weeks ago. Until now, you thought that DADT was the actual ban on gays in the military.
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    Re: Judge orders military to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I already have. Perhaps you missed it, during your semantic theater?

    You'd never heard of DD1332, before I posted a few weeks ago. Until now, you thought that DADT was the actual ban on gays in the military.
    You have not shown anything, and I have heard of DoDD 1332 before I ever heard of you. Accuracy is a good thing.
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