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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A review by whom? So far, Obama has yet to appoint anyone, with any knowledge of the oil and gas industry, to review the current regulations.
    Salazar Launches Safety and Environmental Protection Reforms to Toughen Oversight of Offshore Oil and Gas Operations

    Weekly Address: President Obama Establishes Bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling | The White House

    Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All I did was go to wikipedia, look under the investigation tab in the BP oil spill article and found easily 20 or more sourced examples of experts and individuals being appointed or tasked with something regarding regulations, safety, etc. Its literally that easy.

    Now here's what I'd expect you to say and I'm gonna tell you why its wrong. I'm expecting you're going to say that someone like Ken Salazar, whos the head of the Dept of Interior, has no oil industry experience, which is entirely true. However its a matter of leadership vs. hardskills. Just like in the Army, as a 2LT I have no idea how to repair the trucks I'm going to be placed in charge of, however i know how to task and manage people who do. So while Salazar may be one of the many people leading part of this investigation, he doesn't necessarily have to have oil industry experience to lead people who do.
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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

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    What's your point?
    A simple one. Anyone can claim any policiy that or change is only due to politics. And while I would not argue political concerns never enter the picture, to prove it was the sole concern takes real evidence and not just the fact it might hurt your candidate. Leaps like you make here are too often nothing more than sour grapes, seeing anything, even things your side claims it wanted, as nothing more than politicval. That's just too cynical for even this sad day and age.

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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

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    Salazar Launches Safety and Environmental Protection Reforms to Toughen Oversight of Offshore Oil and Gas Operations

    Weekly Address: President Obama Establishes Bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling | The White House

    Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All I did was go to wikipedia, look under the investigation tab in the BP oil spill article and found easily 20 or more sourced examples of experts and individuals being appointed or tasked with something regarding regulations, safety, etc. Its literally that easy.

    Now here's what I'd expect you to say and I'm gonna tell you why its wrong. I'm expecting you're going to say that someone like Ken Salazar, whos the head of the Dept of Interior, has no oil industry experience, which is entirely true. However its a matter of leadership vs. hardskills. Just like in the Army, as a 2LT I have no idea how to repair the trucks I'm going to be placed in charge of, however i know how to task and manage people who do. So while Salazar may be one of the many people leading part of this investigation, he doesn't necessarily have to have oil industry experience to lead people who do.
    Allow me to introduce you to the members of Obama's oil spill commisson:

    Senator Bob Graham, Co-Chair, National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling is the former two–term governor of Florida and served for 18 years in the United States Senate. Senator Graham is recognized for his leadership on issues ranging from healthcare and environmental preservation to his ten years of service on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence — including eighteen months as chairman in 2001–2002. After retiring from public life in January 2005, Senator Graham served for a year as a senior fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government. From May 2008 to February 2010, he served as Chairman of the Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism whose mandate was to build on the work of the 9/11 Commission.

    William K. Reilly, Co-Chair, National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling is a Founding Partner of Aqua International Partners, LP, a private equity fund dedicated to investing in companies engaged in water and renewable energy, and a Senior Advisor to TPG Capital, LP, an international investment partnership. Mr. Reilly served as the first Payne Visiting Professor at Stanford University (1993-1994), Administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (1989-1993), president of the World Wildlife Fund (1985-1989), president of The Conservation Foundation (1973-1989), and director of the Rockefeller Task Force on Land Use and Urban Growth from (1972-1973). He also served as the head of the U.S. delegation to the United Nations Earth Summit at Rio in 1992.

    Frances G. Beinecke, Member, National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling
    Frances Beinecke is currently the President of the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), a non-profit corporation that works to advance environmental policy in the United States and across the world. Ms. Beinecke has worked at NRDC for 35 years, serving as executive director, associate director and deputy executive director. Ms. Beinecke currently serves on the Board of the World Resources Institute and the steering committees of the U.S. Climate Action Partnership and the Energy Futures Coalition.

    Donald Boesch, Member, National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling
    Donald “Don” Boesch is the President of the University of Maryland Center for Environmental Science, where he is also a Professor of Marine Science and Vice Chancellor for Environmental Sustainability for the University System of Maryland. Dr. Boesch is a biological oceanographer who has conducted research on coastal ecosystems along the Atlantic Coast, the Gulf of Mexico, Australia and the East China Sea. A native of Louisiana, he has assessed the long-term environmental effects of offshore oil and gas development and multiple environmental problems of the Gulf Coast. A pioneer in the study of the environmental effects of offshore energy development, Dr. Boesch edited the seminal 1987 work, Long-Term Environmental Effects of Offshore Oil and Gas Development.

    Terry D. Garcia, Member, National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling
    Terry D. Garcia is currently Executive Vice President for Mission Programs for the National Geographic Society. He is responsible for the Society's core mission programs, including programs that support and manage more than 400 scientific field research, conservation and exploration projects annually. From 1994 to 1996, he was General Counsel at NOAA and led the implementation of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Restoration Plan for Prince William Sound and the Gulf of Alaska.

    Cherry A. Murray, Member, National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling
    Dr. Cherry Murray was appointed the Dean of the Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS) and John A. and Elizabeth S. Armstrong Professor of Engineering and Applied Sciences in July 2009, and is currently the Past President of the American Physical Society. She has served on more than 80 national and international scientific advisory committees, governing boards, and National Research Council (NRC) panels, including chairing the Division of Engineering and Physical Science of the NRC, and serving on the visiting committee for Harvard’s Department of Physics from 1993 to 2004.

    Frances Ulmer, Member, National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling
    Fran Ulmer is Chancellor of the University of Alaska Anchorage (UAA), Alaska’s largest public university. In addition to serving as UAA’s Chancellor, Ms. Ulmer is a member of the Aspen Institute's Commission on Arctic Climate Change and holds Board positions with the Alaska Nature Conservancy, the National Parks Conservation Association and the Union of Concerned Scientists. As a state legislator, Ms. Ulmer served as a member on the Special Committee on the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Claims Settlement.
    Semi-careful observation reveals more treehuggers than oil and gas industry experts.

    I hope, that as a 2LT, you would select far more qualified personel to fix a deuce-and-a-half, than what we see here.

    I see more evidence here that suggests that the commission is loaded with people to achieve a certain outcome. That outcome being, "oil is evil. We need to transition everything over to wind and solar".

    One member is a part of the Natural Resources Defense Council. Gimme'a ****in' break!!!
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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

    Oil makes the world go round.

    For now anyway.

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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Allow me to introduce you to the members of Obama's oil spill commisson:



    Semi-careful observation reveals more treehuggers than oil and gas industry experts.

    I hope, that as a 2LT, you would select far more qualified personel to fix a deuce-and-a-half, than what we see here.

    I see more evidence here that suggests that the commission is loaded with people to achieve a certain outcome. That outcome being, "oil is evil. We need to transition everything over to wind and solar".

    One member is a part of the Natural Resources Defense Council. Gimme'a ****in' break!!!
    Would you prefer an all oil company board?

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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Allow me to introduce you to the members of Obama's oil spill commisson:



    Semi-careful observation reveals more treehuggers than oil and gas industry experts.

    I hope, that as a 2LT, you would select far more qualified personel to fix a deuce-and-a-half, than what we see here.

    I see more evidence here that suggests that the commission is loaded with people to achieve a certain outcome. That outcome being, "oil is evil. We need to transition everything over to wind and solar".

    One member is a part of the Natural Resources Defense Council. Gimme'a ****in' break!!!
    Again, thats not the entirety of the personnel working on something relating to the Oil spill, and they can have staff which are specialized in various areas as well.

    Secondly, if the outcome was predetermined to be "oil is evil. We need to transition everything over to wind and solar." Why didn't that happen? If you compare the response to other oil spills, such as Exxon Valdez, which banned ships of a certain size from entering the spill site which remains in affect today. That was under Reagan. The Santa Barbara oil spill led to a huge amount of new regulations and creation of new agencies, including the EPA, that was under Nixon another Republican President.

    So compared to that, the response and reaction to this most recent oil spill has been EXTREMELY moderate. And extremely pro-oil.

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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Again, thats not the entirety of the personnel working on something relating to the Oil spill, and they can have staff which are specialized in various areas as well.

    Secondly, if the outcome was predetermined to be "oil is evil. We need to transition everything over to wind and solar." Why didn't that happen? If you compare the response to other oil spills, such as Exxon Valdez, which banned ships of a certain size from entering the spill site which remains in affect today. That was under Reagan. The Santa Barbara oil spill led to a huge amount of new regulations and creation of new agencies, including the EPA, that was under Nixon another Republican President.

    So compared to that, the response and reaction to this most recent oil spill has been EXTREMELY moderate. And extremely pro-oil.
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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Wow it's October but this is no surprise.

    It is possible this has not one damn thing to do with anything but Political Gain?

    Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze - cbs11tv.com
    So what you're saying is that Obama is a polluter?
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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A review by whom? So far, Obama has yet to appoint anyone, with any knowledge of the oil and gas industry, to review the current regulations.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Allow me to introduce you to the members of Obama's oil spill commisson...

    Semi-careful observation reveals more treehuggers than oil and gas industry experts.

    I see more evidence here that suggests that the commission is loaded with people to achieve a certain outcome. That outcome being, "oil is evil. We need to transition everything over to wind and solar".

    One member is a part of the Natural Resources Defense Council. Gimme'a ****in' break!!!
    The question is what was the intended purpose behind the 6-month moritorium?

    I think the answer is very simple: safety

    People who are pro-oil and anti-Obama will always find reasons to disagree with his decision to temporarily halt deepwater off-shore oil drilling in the GOM. Looking at the list of commission members, I will agree that the committee's makeup does appear to be more eco-friendly, but I think people who truly care about the industry, the safety issues, the integrity of the permit issuing process and the environment will all agree that given the magnitude of the disaster and the underhandiness of the permit issuing process it was the right thing to do.

    Now, what comes out of this moritorium is a different matter. Will the problems that this disaster and the flaws in the permit issuance procedures be changed for the better? I sure hope so. Otherwise, what would the nation if not the oil industry have gained in imposing such a moritorium if nothing positive comes from it? My hope is that the permitting process is more heavily scrutinized, that local, state and federal governments all improve their oil spill recovery procedures and that all parties involved acquire and maintain the proper safety equipment on-hand to handle such a disaster in the future.
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    Re: Administration Lifts 6-Month Oil Drilling Freeze

    Where did Apdst go, come on man I'm calling you out.

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