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    Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contributions

    Why is it that the White House can make apparently baseless accusations against political opponents, and those opponents have to prove the accusations are false? I'm was always taught 'innocent until proven guilty', not 'innocent unless you piss of Barack Obama'.

    Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contributions

    Two top Republicans lit into President Obama and the Democratic Party Sunday over accusations that the GOP strategists and the Chamber of Commerce were using foreign contributions to influence the election, calling the claim a "baseless lie" and accusing the president of "abuse of power."
    "So groups that receive foreign money are spending huge sums to influence American elections, and they won't tell you where the money for their ads come from," Obama said.
    "They have not one shred of evidence to back up that baseless lie. This is a desperate and I think disturbing trend by the president of the United States to tar his political adversaries with some kind of, you know, enemies list unrestrained by any facts or evidence whatsoever," Rove said.
    Asked about the charge, White House senior adviser David Axelrod put the onus on groups like the Chamber of Commerce to prove foreign money is not influencing the election.
    "No one knows where the money's coming from," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "Why not simply disclose where this money is from and then all these questions will be answered?"

    But Gillespie said the idea that the White House could lob charges and then leave it up to the accused to refute them is an "unbelievable mentality."

    "David Axelrod is either woefully uninformed or willfully deceptive and dishonest," Gillespie said.

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    It will only be a matter of time before entities are set up to channel foreign money into democratic coffers. You republicans are going to be ok with that, I guess. I know I'm not.
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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    It's called "spin" and "politics."

    Both sides have a history of this kind of nonsense.

    Just saying.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It will only be a matter of time before entities are set up to channel foreign money into democratic coffers. You republicans are going to be ok with that, I guess. I know I'm not.
    No, I am not OK with that. And there is ZERO proof being offered by the administration for their accusations. If they HAD proof, and produced it, I'd be agreeing with them.

    Do you approve of the administration making accusations without proof, and then saying the 'guilty party' should prove their innocence?

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Which wealthy Foreign Governments hoped in 2008 that Obama Win the Presidency(???) What MSM outlet or organization even begun any proper vetting of this guy (??)

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    No, I am not OK with that. And there is ZERO proof being offered by the administration for their accusations. If they HAD proof, and produced it, I'd be agreeing with them.

    Do you approve of the administration making accusations without proof, and then saying the 'guilty party' should prove their innocence?
    Oh, no pity party for you. Blame the Supreme Court if you don't like it. The President is only making good use of the bad ruling that he himself decried in the State of the Union address.

    Y'all liked the secret corporate donations ruling so much, and then scream bloody murder at the application of it. So put up by coffing up the donors, or shut up.

    It's called 'hoist by your own petard'.

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    No, I am not OK with that. And there is ZERO proof being offered by the administration for their accusations. If they HAD proof, and produced it, I'd be agreeing with them.

    Do you approve of the administration making accusations without proof, and then saying the 'guilty party' should prove their innocence?
    I wouldn't approve it much, but I don't think it is as big a deal as foreign entities being able to secretly affect our elections.
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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Saul Alinsky's Rules for radicals say:

    Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

    According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”
    I believe it because I see Obama using the Quotes of Adolph Hitler as a Guide to his actions. I'm not calling him a Hitler.

    If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
    Adolf Hitler

    It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.
    Adolf Hitler

    It is not truth that matters, but victory.
    Adolf Hitler

    Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.
    Adolf Hitler

    Also note the use of this unidentified funding is used on all sides with origins unknown to the opposition. So it's a wild claim he can not prove but it sounds bad and it's all about initial effect.

    Obama master of of deception and illusion, lies and he has one defining characteristic and that is he is a good organizer when it it comes to the ways of lies and use of this deception.

    Other than that he's a failure.
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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    Oh, no pity party for you. Blame the Supreme Court if you don't like it. The President is only making good use of the bad ruling that he himself decried in the State of the Union address.

    Y'all liked the secret corporate donations ruling so much, and then scream bloody murder at the application of it. So put up by coffing up the donors, or shut up.

    It's called 'hoist by your own petard'.

    Regards from Rosie
    typical koolaide drinker response. Again, the presumption of innocence is what I was taught growing up. Perhaps you were taught differently?

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I wouldn't approve it much, but I don't think it is as big a deal as foreign entities being able to secretly affect our elections.
    again... accusations without evidence.

    This is equally as wrong and stupid as the 'birthers' claiming Obama isn't a US citizen because he would not provide an actual birth certificate. They claimed guilt, and said he should prove his innocence.

    To the best of my recollection, the vast majority of Obama supporters thought that was wrong, and that Obama should not have had to 'prove his innocence' so to speak, in the matter.

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