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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, you agree with me that citing unsourced claims (like the Democrats are doing in this case) and not presenting actual evidence (again, like the Democrats in this case) is a game.
    I don't agree with your false premises, but obviously an uncited claim from a repeatedly discredited source (in this case, the US Chamber of Commerce) is not to be accepted on faith.

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    I thought you said ALL media outlets were in the GOP's pocket?
    You thought wrong. Again.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    sure, olberman, ed, maddow, BECK---their shows are all the same
    Coke and Pepsi don't taste the same, but I have no reason to believe they represent fundamentally different interests. Or should I believe that Pepsi is "youthful," "hip," and "the voice of a new generation," while Coke is "classic," "nostalgic," and "the real thing" because of some ad campaign? Is this what you believe?

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    would olberman say the same?
    I don't know - I'm not a regular viewer.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    oh, absolutely, barack hussein won the white house IN SPITE OF the conservative bias dominating the msm
    Clearly. The public ignored the wall-to-wall Ayers/Wright coverage for the months that it continued, and insolently refused to act on the perpetual media declarations that (insert development) was "good news for John McCain" or that "Obama is in trouble." When he went on vacation to visit his grandmother in Hawaii, he was attacked for going someplace "too exotic for Americans to relate to" (LOL @ Cokie Roberts), and it was insisted that his speaking English (as opposed to whatever it is that George W. Bush spoke) would "alienate the white working-class in Middle America."

    These anecdotes were just a drop in the ocean of the general farce, and I can't tell you how satisfying it was that Republicans had drunk the Kool-Aid and insisted, when McCain nominated Palin, that (as the ubiquitous web-ad had claimed) "Obama is finished." It was beautiful, and I will never stop enjoying reminding Republicans about it whenever they indulge in their cherished "librul media" doublethink fantasy.

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    he entered the presidential campaign with such an impressive resume of accomplishments and abilities
    The latter, certainly. There was a legitimate argument that he lacked experience, but talent counts for a lot - especially when the opposing campaign is so repugnant.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    why, mere months after invesco field he won THE NOBEL
    The Nobel Peace Prize, scourge of all that is holy.

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    the coc operates in the exact same way and under the exact same rules of disclosure as moveon and the afl-cio
    And if the Chamber of Commerce were spending only on the level of competing organizations like that, it might be excusable - but they're flooding the campaign with vast sums of untraceable money in order to propagate bald-faced lies. It's a threat to the integrity of our elections.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i wonder why the white house, with its doj and irs, hasn't ACCUSED, on the basis of "it appears" and "i can assert anything i want, bob," the activists and unionists of criminal activity
    They haven't accused the CoC of criminal activity either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You mean foreign corporations like BP?
    You tell me. Is the Chamber of Commerce receiving funds from BP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Every time you speak, you prove my point.
    Unless your point is that this thread is a desperate attempt to divert attention from the shadowy funding behind the CoC's propaganda campaign, you seem to be misinformed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    BTW...
    LINK
    Legally, they're not lying - if the money goes into the general fund before being dispersed, then it isn't "foreign" anymore. They're only lying in the sense that what they're saying isn't true, and that's never stopped them or anyone like them before.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    wow, there are hundreds of thousands of your neighbors who WILL find jobs if and when the reports improve
    You're kind of missing the key concept behind the word "report." A positive jobs report is the result of hiring having occurred, it's not a prophecy. And a negative jobs report is the result of hiring having not occurred, or having occurred to an insufficient extent.

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    the greater significance of the jobs report, in this context, is it's gonna cost ms pelosi HER job
    For our sake as a nation, I certainly hope not. But I can deal with it if it happens.

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    such an offhand declaration, so cavalierly tossed, such a neat little formula
    You mistake observation for formulation. If those networks have created such a formula for themselves, I'm not going to pretend not to see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    keith olberman, rachel maddow, shrill and thrilled chrissy matthews and mister ed schultz represent right leaners, all of em still bemoaning the precious surrender of their prized public option
    I've addressed the difference between a network's priorities and its cultivated image. If you want to ignore everything I say and indulge in imaginary arguments, you're perfectly welcome. There's only one person who gets hurt by lazy argumentation and cheap tactics, and it's not the one who hears them.

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    coke and pepsi---LOL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    And a negative jobs report is the result of hiring having not occurred, or having occurred to an insufficient extent.
    bingo

    meanwhile:

    Republican Groups Overwhelm Democrats With TV Ads

    In one way at least, the fight for control of Congress is grossly one-sided.

    Just five weeks from midterm elections, groups allied with the Republican Party and financed in part by corporations and millionaires have amassed a crushing 6-1 advantage in television spending, and now are dominating the airwaves in closely contested districts and states across the country.

    The extra firepower on the conservative side comes as some key Democratic-leaning organizations are experiencing unexpected trouble raising money or motivating supporters.

    The advertising mismatch, reflected in campaign documents obtained by The Associated Press, is hampering efforts by President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders to sway a shrinking number of undecided voters. Early voting has already begun in some states, and Republicans are positioned to win a number of House and Senate seats, placing Democratic control of both chambers in jeopardy.

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    welcome to the ignore list Troub... when you stop injecting koolaide into your veins, maybe we can have a rational discussion.

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    coke and pepsi---LOL!
    Basically, yes. Every message delivered by a corporation translates ultimately as the same thing - GIVE US YOUR MONEY. There is no other agenda, and the Republican Party's politics are the apotheosis of that impulse - and thus the main beneficiary of it. MSNBC's liberal-esque programming is just a marketing decision as irrelevant as Pepsi's appeals to youth or Coca Cola's appeals to nostalgia, and they only went in that direction after bitterly competing with Fox News for the hard-right and coming up short. If you watched MSNBC at any time before 2005, you know this. And even now, its branding hasn't affected the quality or underlying premises of its news coverage - unlike Fox News, its newsroom decisions are not calculated to advance a political agenda so much as throw rhetorical candy at an audience they've come to depend on. FNC, on the other hand, has proven it will sacrifice immediate profits for a broader agenda (e.g., swallowing the losses from advertisers who abandoned Beck in order to continue pushing his deranged propaganda).

    My point exactly. As has been their intent from the beginning, the so-called "Citizens United" Supreme Court decision opened the floodgates for corporations to straight-up buy an election result for their servants in the GOP. I posted a piece on another site at the time titled (with admitted hyperbole) The Empire Strikes Back - Judicial Coup d'Etat Imminent in which I predicted exactly this sort of thing happening. Not that one had to be prescient to see it coming, it was pretty obvious. I also wrote a more recent piece, Corporate Imperator about the historical implications of what may happen over the long-term if they succeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    welcome to the ignore list Troub... when you stop injecting koolaide into your veins, maybe we can have a rational discussion.
    Bye bye.
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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    I posted a piece on another site at the time titled (with admitted hyperbole) The Empire Strikes Back - Judicial Coup d'Etat Imminent in which I predicted exactly this sort of thing happening. I also wrote a more recent piece, Corporate Imperator.
    LOL!

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    The Fix - DCCC pulls out of six vulnerable districts

    Democrats have canceled all of their ad reservations in at least six districts where their odds of holding the seats appear to be shrinking with three weeks to go until Election Day.

    According to sources, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has canceled all of its remaining reservations for districts held by Reps. Suzanne Kosmas (Fla.), Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.) and Steve Driehaus (Ohio), as well as open seats in Indiana's 8th district, Tennessee's 8th district and Kansas's 3rd district, and the DCCC's decision to pull out completely suggests doom for the Democrats running.

    The Democrats are also likely to lose four open seats that the committee has yet to invest in: Tennessee's 6th district, Arkansas's 2nd district, Louisiana's 3rd district and New York's 29th district.

    The DCCC canceled ad reservations all over the country early this week, but the scope and the intention of many of the cancellations remains to be seen in many cases.

    The DCCC has canceled some time in districts held by Reps. Leonard Boswell (D-Iowa), John Spratt (D-S.C.), Rep. Larry Kissell (D-N.C.), Chet Edwards (D-Texas), Steve Kagen (D-Wis.) and Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.), as well as the open seat held by retiring Rep. Marion Berry (D-Ark.).

    Some of the DCCC's cancellations come in markets that span multiple districts. Here's a recap of where they could be aimed at:

    Boston - These are likely for one of two Democratic seats in New Hampshire that Republicans are targeting. But the open seat left by retiring Rep. Bill Delahunt (D-Mass.) is also in play.

    Cleveland - There are slight cuts for both Reps. John Boccieri (D-Ohio) and Zack Space (D-Ohio), but the big cuts come for Rep. Betty Sutton (D-Ohio), who the committee is now confident will win thanks to GOP nominee Tom Ganley's sexual harassment scandal.

    Philadelphia - Besides the Delaware seat, there appear to be cuts in districts held by Senate candidate Rep. Joe Sestak (D) and Rep. Charlie Dent (R).

    Phoenix - The cuts could affect Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (D-Ariz.) and/or Rep. Harry Mitchell (D-Ariz.).

    Chicago - The cuts could affect Rep. Debbie Halvorson (D), Rep. Bill Foster (D), and/or the open seat held by Senate candidate Rep. Mark Kirk (R). Halvorson's seat appears to be the toughest of the three for Democrats.

    Seattle - The cuts could affect any of three Washington seats: Rep. Rick Larsen (D-Wash.), Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.) or the open seat of retiring Rep. Brian Baird (D-Wash.).

    All of the districts listed above are places where the DCCC had reserved ad time.
    House Republicans plan $45 million TV ad blitz - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com

    House Republicans have drafted a go-for-broke blueprint for the final weeks of the midterm campaign that will bring them to $45 million in television ad spending, with spots reserved in 62 congressional districts across the nation.

    POLITICO has learned that the National Republican Congressional Committee will take a bank loan of at least $6.5 million — but likely more — to expand its ad buys into seven additional districts beyond the 55 where the committee has already reserved time.

    According to an NRCC source familiar with the effort, the newly added targets include five Democrats whose districts, until recently, were thought to be out of reach this year: Reps. Tim Walz of Minnesota, Sanford Bishop of Georgia, Phil Hare of Illinois, Zack Space of Ohio and John Salazar of Colorado.

    Republican strategists say that the $45 million figure is far more than they expected the committee to have for the fall campaign and represents an effort to take full advantage of the Republican-friendly political environment by investing in as many potentially winnable Democratic districts as possible. The NRCC initially reserved $22 million across 41 districts in August before expanding to $35 million in 55 districts in September.

    To help finance the effort, House Republicans are also leaning on members for a late flood of cash. At a conference-wide meeting last week at the Capitol Hill Club, members donated or pledged a combined $4 million to NRCC coffers, with $1 million coming from House Minority Leader John Boehner.

    All of it is designed to stretch the map as wide as possible. In recent weeks, Republicans have also begun airing ads targeting Democratic Reps. Ike Skelton of Missouri, Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, Jim Marshall of Georgia and Jerry McNerney of California — a tier of races that were once thought to be less competitive but now are seen as in play.

    The committee is searching for new targets of opportunity as party strategists come closer to finalizing their roster of races. The NRCC has begun polling in three additional districts, including the Eastern Iowa-based seat of Democratic Rep. Dave Loebsack.

    Bolstering GOP efforts is a collection of outside groups attacking Democrats whom the NRCC will not have the funds to run ads against. Organizations ranging from the 60 Plus Association to Americans for Job Security to American Future Fund are targeting Democrats like Reps. Bruce Braley of Iowa, Ed Perlmutter of Colorado and Ron Kind of Wisconsin.
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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    GOP challengers outraise 30-plus Democratic incumbents - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com

    Dems Getting Crushed On The Fundraising Front - Hotline On Call

    AT LEAST thirty one INCUMBENT dems were outraised by their upstart NOBODY challengers in the last quarter, according to politico and brian lamb's favorite mag, hotline

    names very familiar to me, if not you---bobby bright, travis childers, dina titus, steve kagen, earl pomeroy, baron hill, stephonie herseth-sandlin, joe donnelly, mary joe kilroy, steve driehaus, gene taylor, john salazar, jim himes, jim marshall...

    and BULLS---ike skelton, nick rahall, paul kanjorski, barney frank...

    and NANCY PELOSI is no bull, she's a DINOSAUR

    the temporary speakeress was outpulled 3 to 1 in babylon by the bay

    party on, progressives, seeya at the polls

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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

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    who cares
    Evidently not you.

    What's your point? We've already established that the GOP has virtually unlimited, untraceable funding from its corporate owners.

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    have a sprite
    Why?

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    AT LEAST thirty one INCUMBENT dems were outraised by their upstart NOBODY challengers in the last quarter, according to politico and brian lamb's favorite mag, hotline
    Yeah, Republicans are corrupt.

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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    What's your point? We've already established that the GOP has virtually unlimited, untraceable funding from its corporate owners.
    It's also been established with actual evidence that Obama/Dems have recieved the same type of funding.



    Yeah, Republicans are corrupt.
    Do you have evidence that supports your claim against said Republican upstarts?
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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    And if the Chamber of Commerce were spending only on the level of competing organizations like that, it might be excusable - but they're flooding the campaign with vast sums of untraceable money in order to propagate bald-faced lies. It's a threat to the integrity of our elections.
    So I can only assume that the some $400 million that Obama took in '08 from undocumented sources and most probably overseas interests like the brothers from Hamas in Gaza that were found to have donated some $17K to his campaign are also wrong? Did that hurt our democracy as well?

    how about the Union money that doesn't have to report whom their donors are?

    This is such crap! Face it, you libs are getting beat at your own game, and you don't like it one bit.

    We've already established that the GOP has virtually unlimited, untraceable funding from its corporate owners.
    "WE'VE" not established anything. You have made claims you refuse to back up with any evidence what so ever. That is not how it is done friend.

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    Re: Guilty until proven innocent... according to the White House

    I find it very sad indeed that people who claim to be educated beyond the 8th grade, some whom even go so far as to claim a higher education including a college degree will come to this Forum and make arguments that are so unenlightened they resemble the crayon etchings of a 6 year old.

    Why not cut their loses and go home lick their wounds.

    It is clear because we see every day they cannot deal in or face facts and the truth so why do they continue to expose themselves to the humiliation that comes from being exposed as as intellectually and mentally challenged.

    I would go into the corner and hide my head in shame were it me.

    But then I have an education that goes a bit farther than the 8th grade. But only by 8 years or so.

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