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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    The FEC has been asked for exactly that. The C of C may not have to answer for who their donors are, but they will need to prove, thru reasonable accounting practices, that foreign donations have not been used to purchase political ads.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2010/1/the-chamber-and-foreign-contributions/

    Until the FEC completes its investigation, your demand for proof is unreasonable. Lack of proof at this point doesn't make the accusation illegitimate, since the C of C does accept donations from foreign corporations. It is the C of C that must provide proof to the FEC, NOT the Dems to you.

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    Has the FEC actually launched an investigation?

    Again, you go back to 'they have to prove what the Dems claimed isn't true'... instead of the more proper 'the Dem's should provide evidence for their claims'. Sad.

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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx
    Myth: The U.S. Chamber is spending foreign money on political activities. ... that labor unions and their allies far outspend business on election efforts. .... Unions - 12.4% percent of employees at foreign companies in the U.S. are ...
    Myth vs. Fact: Foreign Money and Political Spending | U.S. Chamber of Commerce
    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Are you seriously trying to vindicate the Chamber of Commerce by citing their own unsourced claims? If so, then allow me to indulge in this game myself. Fact: I am a 7-foot-tall satyr married to Scarlett Johansson. Hmm, apparently making the claim didn't make it so. Oh well.
    So, you agree with me that citing unsourced claims (like the Democrats are doing in this case) and not presenting actual evidence (again, like the Democrats in this case) is a game. Nice to here.

    So endeth the lesson.

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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Are you seriously trying to vindicate the Chamber of Commerce by citing their own unsourced claims? If so, then allow me to indulge in this game myself. Fact: I am a 7-foot-tall satyr married to Scarlett Johansson. Hmm, apparently making the claim didn't make it so. Oh well.
    I think they should have the right to defend themselves against the claims of the Obama administration.
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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Has the FEC actually launched an investigation?

    Again, you go back to 'they have to prove what the Dems claimed isn't true'... instead of the more proper 'the Dem's should provide evidence for their claims'. Sad.
    They must investigate since Senator Franken has called for it. The D of J putting in their two cents is more an administrative detailing rather than a directive.

    Quickly dismissive, aintcha? LOLOL

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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    so have the msm's, altho obama is so alien to american politics he obviously didn't see it coming
    "So alien to American politics..." nice choice of dog-whistles, but you're apparently commenting on an alternate universe where people care what the MSM says.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    time mag---over his head, insular, isolated, arrogant and clueless
    They were saying pretty much the same thing during the election. Most of America's major name-brand "news" sources have become tabloid trash that ignore reality and pander to whatever narrative they think will sell.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ny times---no evidence CoC's collecting overseas dues is improper or even unusual, the afl-cio and sierra club and nra have international affiliations and take in money from foreign entities while pushing political causes in the us, more than 160 pac's set up by corporations are based overseas
    In other words, the accusation that foreign contributions are a "baseless lie" is complete nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    where ya been, the WHITE HOUSE and the DEMOCRATIC NATL COMMITTEE are doing quite a bit more about this nefarious use of foreign money by the chamber of commerce to "steal our democracy" than the mere asking of questions
    Good.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    is that all ya got?
    Is what all I've got?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no mention of last friday's jobs report, for example?
    I haven't seen it, but I don't imagine it speaks well of the Chamber's obsession with tax and spending cuts: Not very helpful to the unemployed.

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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    They must investigate since Senator Franken has called for it. The D of J putting in their two cents is more an administrative detailing rather than a directive.

    Quickly dismissive, aintcha? LOLOL

    Regards from Rosie

    It should be dismissed as the silliness it is. The CoC should simply say when Obama provides that his donations for his '08 campaign didn't come from phone banks in Gaza then we will provide that our $100K out of a $200mil budget is separate.

    Keep grabbin at straws libs.


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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    They must investigate since Senator Franken has called for it. The D of J putting in their two cents is more an administrative detailing rather than a directive.

    Quickly dismissive, aintcha? LOLOL

    Regards from Rosie
    Where was I dismissive? I asked if an actual investigation had begun? Touchy? Aintcha? LOLOL

    EDIT: BTW, Franken 'asked' them to investigate. They are not bound by law to do so.
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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I think they should have the right to defend themselves against the claims of the Obama administration.
    Irrelevant. The Chamber's claims would be easily sourced if they were legitimate, but it's not that kind of party with those people - they're not in the business of discussion. They're in the business of perpetuating ideas that serve their interests, whether true or false.

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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Where was I dismissive? I asked if an actual investigation had begun? Touchy? Aintcha? LOLOL
    Silly man. The Chamber actually is going to have to prove the Dems' claims are untrue, thru reasonable accounting procedures. To dismiss this fact quickly and claim the opposite, that the Dems must prove what the Chamber did or did not do, jumped the gun, the shark and a buncha other things, too.

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    Re: Rove, Gillespie Slam Obama for Spreading 'Baseless Lie' Over Foreign Contribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Irrelevant.
    So the Obama administration can make any claim they wish without substance to back it up, and even if the victim of their claims tries to refute the accusation it is irrelevant? That is some nice system you got there. I suppose that wouldn't work if repubs used it on demo's though.


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