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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Just remember, if youre not republican youre not for hard work and you hate your country.
    that's absurd

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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    that's absurd
    That's the impression one gets hearing Republicans talk about non-Republicans.
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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    That's the impression one gets hearing Republicans talk about non-Republicans.
    At least here. From some Republicans. Who have no problem with welfare when it benefits them. Or outright Socialism.
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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess the thought of hard work, self sufficiency, and patriotism is insane to people who think working is for suckers.
    Those are just words to Republicans.

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    why work when you can live off the effort of others.
    Capitalism in a nutshell.

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    anyone who can't afford something is by definition denied access because there is some limitation of social programs that would provide it?
    When the subject is health care, yes.

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    there're millions of us, we're all around you, can't you see us?
    Kind of hard to see over the walls of the gated communities.

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    you're deprived because you have a toothache?
    I'm deprived of the solution to the toothache, as is everyone else who can't afford needed procedures.

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    i hope you get some relief soon
    Just not enough to pay slightly higher taxes, I presume. Thank you for your "sentiments," whatever they're worth.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yes, indeed, dentisty can be very expensive
    The lack of dentistry is even more expensive.

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    go on
    What more is there to say? A system that decides the level of care by how much your employer thinks you're worth is an affront to human decency.

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    for someone who is unaware of the unfunded liabilities facing not only medicare and medicaid but also social security as well (also public pensions, city, state and federal), you certainly seem to have some rather strong opinions about how the world works
    We haven't addressed any of those other than Medicare, and all I said was that I wasn't aware of the accuracy of the specific figure - hardly tantamount to ignorance of the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    that's the solution folks, it's odd obama hasn't found it, all we need is the LOCK BOX!
    It's not odd at all - Obama didn't inherit a budget surplus, George W. Bush did. The concept of a lock box was to ensure that such surpluses would be held exclusively for Medicare and Social Security, and neither spent on other priorities nor frittered away with tax cuts. As I recall, Bush's first round of tax cuts were roughly the size of the current federal budget deficit.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    then how could you possibly have missed last friday's jobs report, it was even on olberman?
    I didn't say I was unaware of it, I just said I hadn't seen it - i.e., I haven't read the document. When I need to know something, I rely on primary sources. General news coverage is just background.

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    olberman and beck share similar interests?
    No, the organizations that employ them do.

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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Those are just words to Republicans.
    hard work, self sufficiency and patriotism are just words?

    no wonder your employer doesn't consider you valuable

    Capitalism in a nutshell.
    and the alternative?

    Kind of hard to see over the walls of the gated communities.
    but we don't live behind gates, we go to safeway, and junior college

    you STILL haven't seen us

    I'm deprived of the solution to the toothache, as is everyone else who can't afford needed procedures.
    make something of yourself, make yourself valuable, quit blaming your tootache on me and horatio alger

    Just not enough to pay slightly higher taxes, I presume.
    the expiration of the bush cuts results not in "slightly higher taxes"

    pay for your own toothache

    What more is there to say? A system that decides the level of care by how much your employer thinks you're worth is an affront to human decency.
    try finding what you're looking for in nature

    We haven't addressed any of those other than Medicare, and all I said was that I wasn't aware of the accuracy of the specific figure - hardly tantamount to ignorance of the issue.
    no, the size of the unfunded liabilities faced by our entitlement programs and public pension funds is common knowledge, as reported regularly for decades by all those right wing reporters at cbs, nbc, the ny times, washington post...

    The concept of a lock box was to ensure that such surpluses would be held exclusively for Medicare and Social Security
    the concept of the lock box is as old as social security itself, it was broken into and raided

    As I recall, Bush's first round of tax cuts were roughly the size of the current federal budget deficit.
    38 house dems are on record---extend bush cuts to all americans

    47 signed on to extending the lower rates on all that evil, unearned investment income

    Liberal Democrats call for tax vote - Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

    Dem letter: Keep tax cuts for rich - John Maggs - POLITICO.com

    it's clearly because they share keith olberman's conservative outlook

    LOL!

    I didn't say I was unaware of it, I just said I hadn't seen it - i.e., I haven't read the document.
    then read it, catch up

    News from The Associated Press

    No, the organizations that employ them do.
    so it's the contents of the olberman and beck shows that manifest those convergent interests?

    please continue
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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Just remember, if youre not republican youre not for hard work and you hate your country. Great reasons to be republican.
    You words not mine.



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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Those are just words to Republicans.



    Capitalism in a nutshell.



    When the subject is health care, yes.



    Kind of hard to see over the walls of the gated communities.



    I'm deprived of the solution to the toothache, as is everyone else who can't afford needed procedures.



    Just not enough to pay slightly higher taxes, I presume. Thank you for your "sentiments," whatever they're worth.



    The lack of dentistry is even more expensive.



    What more is there to say? A system that decides the level of care by how much your employer thinks you're worth is an affront to human decency.



    We haven't addressed any of those other than Medicare, and all I said was that I wasn't aware of the accuracy of the specific figure - hardly tantamount to ignorance of the issue.



    It's not odd at all - Obama didn't inherit a budget surplus, George W. Bush did. The concept of a lock box was to ensure that such surpluses would be held exclusively for Medicare and Social Security, and neither spent on other priorities nor frittered away with tax cuts. As I recall, Bush's first round of tax cuts were roughly the size of the current federal budget deficit.



    I didn't say I was unaware of it, I just said I hadn't seen it - i.e., I haven't read the document. When I need to know something, I rely on primary sources. General news coverage is just background.



    No, the organizations that employ them do.
    when I see someone whining about capitalism It normally is due to someone not being able to hack it in the current market. another source of such psychobabble (especially on political boards which are not areas where the truly stupid venture) is where what I call the internal beliefs of self worth discrepancies come in. What this means is that there are lots of people who truly believe they are very bright and very talented but are upset that their employer or the marketplace mistakenly is blind to their talent and does not pay them what they believe they are worth. Rather then reevaluating their actual skills, they pretend that its the employer or the market that is wrong and blame such entities for their lack of financial success.

    THe dem party is full of people who have a major self perceived gap between their true market worth and their inflated views of their skills. That is why so many people with high levels of education in areas that aren't all that valuable tend to be dems. PhDs in French history or Art History or socialogoy for example. Teachers' Unions are perfect to prove this point.
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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    i told you i'd get back to you when the hill published its second in its series

    we looked at freshman above, 12 incumbent dems, gop challengers leading according to the hill's mark penn (hillary's guy) in 11 and tied in the 12th

    the average polled by the freshman dem incumbents surveyed last week was exactly 40.0% support, at a time, as we race right up on top of the day, when incumbents much more than challengers need to reach the magic 50

    the 12 were, for your information---ann kirkpatrick in extremely troubled AZ, debbie halvorson in IL, frank kratovil on the maryland shore, harry teague in oil country NM, mary joe kilroy in columbus, tom perriello in conservative cumberland county VA, betsy markey in CO's front range, dina titus (one of the 4 most watched house races in the nation) around vegas, john boccierri in working class canton OH, kathleen dahlkemper in NW pennsylvania up to erie, and glenn nye in norfolk/hampton roads, the heavily navy district on the chesapeake

    the tie was mark schauer, 41 to 41, in battle creek, south lansing, MI7

    schauer is rematched vs the former republican congressman, tim walburg, whom schauer unseated in 08, riding the national wave, by a bare 7000 votes

    how will the 18% undecideds in MI7 break 19 days from tomorrow, that's the only question

    well, as promised, the hill put out its second survey this morning and i don't know about you but i find this stuff absolutely engrossing

    whereas mr penn polled the freshmen last week, today he looked at OPEN seats

    of the ten he surveyed (8 open dem seats and 2 open gop) reds led in 8, blues in 2

    of the 8 open dems, challengers were leading in obey's WI7, marrion berry's ARK1, paul hodes' NH2, admiral sestak's PA7, bart stupak's MI1, bart gordon's TN8, brian baird's WA3 (another of the 4 most important contests current)

    in WV1, allan mollohan's seat held for 22 years, who was defeated by attractive state senator mike oliverio, oliverio leads republican challenger david mckinely, former house delegate, 42-39

    that leaves 19% undecided in rust belt WV and the panhandle, where obama's approvals are in the low 30's, coal country angrily opposed to cap and trade (have you seen governor manchin's campaign for bobby byrd's seat---he ran an ad that shows him bearing down a rifle scope to put a bullet in a piece of paper titled, the zoom in shows, cap and trade bill)

    the 2 open republican seats polled by the hill split

    charles djou very surprisingly leads colleen hanubasa in HI1 (where obama lived as a boy) and dan seals leads bob dold in mark kirk's IL10 (kirk is running vs alexi giannoulias for obama/burris' senate seat)

    whereas the freshmen did marginally worse than the opens (dems averaged 40.3% support in the 10 open districts penn looked at), very troubling is the observation: "this set of districts represents some of the most favorable territory for the party anywhere in the country, obama topped mccain in 7 of the 10"

    THE HILL POLL: Republicans are ahead in 8 of 10 open House districts - TheHill.com

    next week the hill promises to analyze 10 districts held by 2 termers, and the week after that brian lamb's favorite magazine will dissect the BULLS---barney frank, peter defazio, raul grijalva, maurice hinchey, john dingell, jim oberstar, gene taylor, chairmen spratt and rahall and skelton...

    stay tuned

    rcp, in summation, today has the gop picking up a net of 65 seats giving speaker orange dude a working plurality of 26

    RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - Battle for the House

    rcp, by the way, is almost excrutiatingly cautious

    the right leaning compiler and sorter of politics may well be wrong, no one knows, but she is NOT bold

    take care
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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Just remember, if youre not republican youre not for hard work and you hate your country. Great reasons to be republican.
    Laughably, ludicrous statement.

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    Re: Democrat Bastions Besieged by GOP

    5 polls outta PA today, reds lead in 4, all held by dems (except for blue open PA7, sestak)

    note the terrifying turnouts for the incumbents at this late date, 39.6 avg, disturbingly below 50

    note also the wide disparity of poll sources, also troubling in that they tend to confirm each other

    PA7 sestak, W philly burbs, delaware county, gop up, 34-32, franklin marshall

    PA8 patrick murphy, NE philly and burbs, bucks county, reds ahead, 51-46, monmouth

    obama was there monday so expect michael fitzpatrick to get a bump

    for instance, pat toomey opened up his biggest lead over admiral sestak in 6 months in today's rasmussen

    Election 2010: Pennsylvania Senate - Rasmussen Reports™

    PA10 chris carney, NY border region, susquehanna county, very red, cook R+8, republicans romp, 44-38, critical insight

    PA11 paul kanjorski, ethically challenged (pma), NE, blue collar, scranton, wilkes-barre, knuckle draggers lead, 43-41, critical insight

    in PA12, johnstown, murtha's seat, filled by mark critz a couple months ago in the special by beating tim burns (critz campaigned against obamacare) against whom the incumbent is rematched: critz leads, according to susquehanna, 43 to 36, with 21 undecided

    RealClearPolitics - Election 2010 House Polls

    if you've read this far, i think it's time you should know exactly where this gargantuan battle for control of legislative initiative will be decided:

    people like me are looking at EIGHT seats in pn, NINE in ny, SIX in ohio, FOUR in florida, FOUR in illinois, FOUR in michigan

    of the smaller states, several will play extremely critical roles:

    4 seats each in AZ, VA, WA, CO, NC, and, if the CENTRAL VALLEY is indeed in play, then 4 also in my state, CA

    MY district, by the way, CA11, jerry mcnerny---we're not often surveyed, we led by one last i heard about 2 months ago, it's rated total tossup (that'd make it about pickup number 50 for my side)---susa (survey usa) YESTERDAY released EXCITING data, upstart DAVID HARMER (who lost to our ambitious insurance commissioner john garamendi in the special exactly a year ago to replace ellen tauscher, promoted by hrc to state dept, in neighboring walnut creek, CA10) up by SIX!

    all i can tell you about crucial CA11, my home, is---we are a very tossup district, we go presidentially with winners, there is most definitely a very strong and excited tea party presence here, my fellow public school teachers are generally very pessimistic and dispirited

    states with three DEM seats up for grabs---TN, IN, WI, NM, GA, ARK, IN

    locales like north and south dakota, kansas, new hampshire don't offer many pickups because they don't have many seats, but those they do are all or almost all in trouble

    fyi

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