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    Re: Overestimate fueled state's landmark diesel law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, why lie about it?
    Maybe it was a mistake, perhaps an honest mistake or just someone trying to read information they couldn't rightfully understand due to gov't error or mismanagement, or maybe both.

    Seems premature to jump to outright lie, but certainly it and other things coming from the same data should be reviewed.

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    Re: Overestimate fueled state's landmark diesel law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More lies being told to push the Green Agenda. Why are so many lies coming to light? Any treehuggers care to take that one on?

    The Environmentally ill movement is not about saving anything any more except their cash machines the heads of these money pits do very well by and never have to lift a damn finger because the rank and file who get out raise hell and even risk jail on occasion are all volunteers, who still think they are out fighting for mother nature, when in fact that hasn't been the case in many years.

    Look at the pay just a few CEO's I listed all get and keep in mind the Average American worker is about, $32,140 each year.

    This makes the cushy jobs look a whole lot less than being a some idealistic altruistic noble cause an clearly all about the Benjamins to me. And all the facts showing widespread manipulation of facts from the about 11 found in Gores In-Convenient propaganda film to all the emails leaked or stolen ans so much more I really do wonder how those like Obama with his agenda to sink the economy so he can push his Socialist/Marxist agenda can actually get up with a straight face ans lie his ass off about it time and again knowing that many of know he's full of sight up to his brown eyes.

    Environmental Defense Fund
    Budget: $25.4 million
    Staff: 160
    Members: 300,000
    Salary of CEO: $262,000, including benefits

    National Audubon Society
    Budget: $44.9 million
    Staff: 300
    Members: 550,000
    CEO Salary: More than $180,000 including benefits

    National Wildlife Federation
    Budget: $80 million
    Staff: 600
    Members: 5 million
    CEO salary: More than $180,000 including benefits

    National Resources Defense Council
    Budget: $27.5 million
    Staff: 172
    Members: 350,000
    CEO salary: More than $200,000, including benefits

    The Nature Conservancy
    Budget: $337 million
    Staff: 1,200
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    Re: Overestimate fueled state's landmark diesel law

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    The Environmentally ill movement is not about saving anything any more except their cash machines the heads of these money pits do very well by and never have to lift a damn finger because the rank and file who get out raise hell and even risk jail on occasion are all volunteers, who still think they are out fighting for mother nature, when in fact that hasn't been the case in many years.

    Look at the pay just a few CEO's I listed all get and keep in mind the Average American worker is about, $32,140 each year.

    This makes the cushy jobs look a whole lot less than being a some idealistic altruistic noble cause an clearly all about the Benjamins to me. And all the facts showing widespread manipulation of facts from the about 11 found in Gores In-Convenient propaganda film to all the emails leaked or stolen ans so much more I really do wonder how those like Obama with his agenda to sink the economy so he can push his Socialist/Marxist agenda can actually get up with a straight face ans lie his ass off about it time and again knowing that many of know he's full of sight up to his brown eyes.

    Environmental Defense Fund
    Budget: $25.4 million
    Staff: 160
    Members: 300,000
    Salary of CEO: $262,000, including benefits

    National Audubon Society
    Budget: $44.9 million
    Staff: 300
    Members: 550,000
    CEO Salary: More than $180,000 including benefits

    National Wildlife Federation
    Budget: $80 million
    Staff: 600
    Members: 5 million
    CEO salary: More than $180,000 including benefits

    National Resources Defense Council
    Budget: $27.5 million
    Staff: 172
    Members: 350,000
    CEO salary: More than $200,000, including benefits

    The Nature Conservancy
    Budget: $337 million
    Staff: 1,200
    Members: 720,000 individuals; 220 corporations
    Salary of CEO: More than $196,000, including benefits
    Every CEO in every major business/industry makes more than the average American worker. Can we assume that this point applies to industries or companies you may support? Such as financial or defense industries? Even the US Army pays its Generals more than the average worker, as a 2LT I make more than that.

    Guess we are part of that conspiracy too, I had no idea...

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    Re: Overestimate fueled state's landmark diesel law

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    The Environmentally ill movement is not about saving anything any more except their cash machines the heads of these money pits do very well and never have to lift a damn finger because the rank and file who get out raise hell and even risk jail on occasion are all volunteers, who still think they are out fighting for mother nature, when in fact that hasn't been the case in many years.

    Look at the pay just a few CEO's I listed all get and keep in mind the Average American worker is about, $32,140 each year.

    This makes the cushy jobs look a whole lot less than being a some idealistic altruistic noble cause an clearly all about the Benjamins to me. And all the facts showing widespread manipulation of facts from the about 11 found in Gores In-Convenient propaganda film to all the emails leaked or stolen ans so much more I really do wonder how those like Obama with his agenda to sink the economy so he can push his Socialist/Marxist agenda can actually get up with a straight face ans lie his ass off about it time and again knowing that many of know he's full of sight up to his brown eyes.

    Environmental Defense Fund
    Budget: $25.4 million
    Staff: 160
    Members: 300,000
    Salary of CEO: $262,000, including benefits

    National Audubon Society
    Budget: $44.9 million
    Staff: 300
    Members: 550,000
    CEO Salary: More than $180,000 including benefits

    National Wildlife Federation
    Budget: $80 million
    Staff: 600
    Members: 5 million
    CEO salary: More than $180,000 including benefits

    National Resources Defense Council
    Budget: $27.5 million
    Staff: 172
    Members: 350,000
    CEO salary: More than $200,000, including benefits

    The Nature Conservancy
    Budget: $337 million
    Staff: 1,200
    Members: 720,000 individuals; 220 corporations
    Salary of CEO: More than $196,000, including benefits
    Yup the leader of an organization that has at least 300,000 members and devotes thier life and studies to ensuring our childrens' futures make $200,000 dollars annually. Still considered middle class by many.

    Lol. Our school district superintendent makes more than that. PERSPECTIVE.
    and so it goes...

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    3M Co. Chairman, President and CEO George Buckley received more than $14.9 million in total compensation in 2009, up 21 percent from $12.3 million in 2008, according to a regulatory filing.

    That's what you get paid for one of the countries biggest polluters.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Overestimate fueled state's landmark diesel law

    yes, by all means, read the article

    you'll learn that the CA AIR RESOURCES BOARD is responsible for implementing ab32, it is such estimates upon which emission standards are based and ENFORCED

    such estimate creating entities are prototypical of the like which would implement cap and trade legislation, massive tax increases on ENERGY---both production and consumption---in the midst of our collective depression, if said cap and trade legislation weren't as dead as john lennon, who's 70th birthday is today

    political considerations would never play any role with the CA AIR RESOURCES BOARD, sure

    that's why the board was caught red handed just last year misrepresenting with pants on fire the number of DEATHS caused by diesel exhaust

    the scientist, hien tran, resonsible for those exaggerations was discovered to have faked college credentials (just like christine odonnell!)

    board member nichols has apologized for KNOWING tran's transcripts were trash and NOT telling fellow board members

    the CA AIR RESOURCES BOARD would never play politics, which is why board member roberts says, "politics have entered the picture too much"

    it's just like the time (3 days ago) when obama's own handpicked spill panel exposed as totally bogus white house claims that it had subjected its gulf leak estimates to PEER REVIEW

    this is LOL! material

    global warming is expired, defunct, deceased, as an issue

    it collapsed in chilly copenhagen

    Low targets, goals dropped: Copenhagen ends in failure | Environment | guardian.co.uk

    it's fringe, as credibility bereft these days as a birther

    rarely have we seen an issue fall so far so fast and with so much hubris

    meg the whore OPPOSES ab32, moonbeam stands with the CA AIR RESOURCES BOARD

    seeya at the polls, 23 days
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    Numbers don't lie. This is a man made problem, unless of course you'd like to deny the industrial revolution started around the time CO2 levels spiked.

    Where's the proof that CO2 levels are NOT rising. Where's the proof that CO2 levels are NOT correlary to temperature.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Overestimate fueled state's landmark diesel law

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post


    Numbers don't lie. This is a man made problem, unless of course you'd like to deny the industrial revolution started around the time CO2 levels spiked.

    Where's the proof that CO2 levels are NOT rising. Where's the proof that CO2 levels are NOT correlary to temperature.
    HERE IS THE PROOF:

    There is no correlation between CO2 levels and global warming; it is not a driver.
    Insert quarter and try again.

    [ Professor Tim Ball, Department of Climatology, University of Winnipeg ] The analogy I use
    is like my car's not running very well, so I'm going to ignore the engine, which is the Sun, and
    I'm going to ignore the transmission which is the water vapour, and I'm going to look at one
    nut on the right rear wheel which is the human-produced CO2. The science is that bad.

    [ Professor Nir Shaviv ] There were periods for example in Earth's history when we had three
    times as much CO2 as we have today, or periods when we had ten times as much CO2 as we
    have today. And if CO2 has a large effect on climate then you should see it in the temperature
    reconstruction
    .

    [ Professor Ian Clark, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa ] If we look at
    climate through the geological timeframe, we would never suspect CO2 as a major climate
    driver
    .

    [ Professor Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Director, International Arctic Research Centre ] CO2 began
    [to] increase exponentially in about 1940, but the temperature actually began to decrease
    1940, continued till about 1975. So this is the opposite to the ration [reason]. When the CO2 increasing rapidly but yet the temperature decreasing we cannot say that CO2 and the
    temperature go together
    .

    Al Gore says the relationship between temperature and CO2 is complicated, but he doesn't say
    what those complications are. But what Al Gore doesn't say is that the link is the wrong way
    round
    .

    [ Professor Ian Clark ] So here we are looking at the Ice Core record from Vostok. And in the
    red we see temperature going up from early time to later time at a very key interval when we
    came out of a glaciation, and we see the temperature going up, and then we see the CO2
    coming up. CO2 lags behind that increase. It's got an 800-year lag. So temperature is leading
    CO2 by 800 years
    .

    [ Professor Frederick Singer ] So obviously Carbon Dioxide is not the cause of that warming.
    In fact we can say that the warming produced the increase in Carbon Dioxide.

    [ Professor Timothy Ball ] The Ice Core record goes to the very heart of the problem we have
    here. They said if the CO2 increases in the atmosphere as a Greenhouse Gas then the
    temperature will go up. But the Ice Core record shows exactly the opposite. So the
    fundamental assumption, the most fundamental assumption of the whole theory of Climate
    Change due to humans, is shown to be wrong.

    [ Professor Carl Wunsch, Department of Oceanography, Massachusetts Institute of
    Technology ] The ocean is the major reservoir into which Carbon Dioxide goes when it comes
    out of the atmosphere or where it is readmitted to the atmosphere. If you heat the surface of
    the ocean it tends to emit Carbon Dioxide. Similarly if you cool the ocean surface, the ocean
    can dissolve more Carbon Dioxide. The ocean has a memory of past events, running out as far
    as 10,000 years. So for example if somebody says, "Oh, I'm seeing changes in the North
    Atlantic - this must mean that the climate system is changing", it may only mean that
    something happened in a remote part of the ocean decades or hundreds of years ago, whose
    effects are now beginning to show up in the North Atlantic
    .

    In 1893 the British astronomer Edward Maunder observed that during the Little Ice Age there
    were barely any spots visible on the Sun. A period of solar inactivity which became known as
    the Maunder Minimum. But how reliable are sunspots as an indicator of the weather ? (hint... damn near perfect)



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