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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I applaud this win, however so many have made this prize worthless with meager political wins.
    I totally agree... probably the first truly deserving winner since Younus Khan of Bangladesh...
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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    He didn't do so while in prison and I'm not sure he ever did. He certainly advocated violent struggle if necessary after release. A more contemporaneous article.

    Why Won't Mandela Renounce Violence? - Op-Ed - NYTimes.com

    All Nobel winners are worthy of criticism I'm afraid.
    That's real convenient that you'd cherry pick an article from 1990...

    4 years before he became President.

    3 years before he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Why did Madiba not renounce violence at that point?

    Because they were up against a government who's response to non violent protests for the last 30 years was savage attacks against unarmed civillians.





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    It was when things seemed ready to spill over, that Madiba stepped up to the plate.

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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's real convenient that you'd cherry pick an article from 1990...

    4 years before he became President.

    3 years before he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Why did Madiba not renounce violence at that point?

    Because they were up against a government who's response to non violent protests for the last 30 years was savage attacks against unarmed civillians.





    Even against School children in the case of the Soweto uprisings of 1976 when Police opened fire using live ammunition on SCHOOL KIDS.

    It was pressure from his party who had been on the outside for so long.

    And worse still, was the allegations that came to light that elements of the police force were arming favoured factions of tribes to fight eachother in the cases of the Boipatong massacre and various other incidents.
    You should probably read the thread and appreciate the context of what you're quoting, then you can practice what you preach below:

    Do not speak about things you don't understand.

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