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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    I don't give much credibility to Nobel prizes because I think the committee awards them to people based on political beliefs (heck, Obama won one and the only thing he did was have a D next to his name and be the president). However, I agree with this award and I am appalled at China's immature reaction to it.
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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    However, I agree with this award and I am appalled at China's immature reaction to it.
    I think their reaction is quite sensible. Like I said the committee responsible for giving out this prize is appointed entirely by Norway's parliament. You will also note the only time they ever seem to consider a critic of the Chinese government is when that critic is in prison. Clearly it is less about actually awarding someone for promoting reform or progress in China and all about casting aspersions on the Chinese government.

    There were many nominees mentioned who are more deserving of such a prize.
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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I think their reaction is quite sensible. Like I said the committee responsible for giving out this prize is appointed entirely by Norway's parliament. You will also note the only time they ever seem to consider a critic of the Chinese government is when that critic is in prison. Clearly it is less about actually awarding someone for promoting reform or progress in China and all about casting aspersions on the Chinese government.

    There were many nominees mentioned who are more deserving of such a prize.

    Even disagreeing with the award, I'm not sure how someone can justify media censorship as a sensible response. Which Chinese dissident do you feel would be more deserving anyway?

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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Even disagreeing with the award, I'm not sure how someone can justify media censorship as a sensible response.
    I am talking about their response towards Norway and the Nobel committee.

    Which Chinese dissident do you feel would be more deserving anyway?
    There are not any specific ones I can name off the top of my head, but there are ones I know about whose names I can't recall that are more deserving. Well, Hu Jia was at least more deserving than him, though I think there are still better choices. Do you not find it odd that they have never given a Peace Prize to someone in prison before, but then suddenly they decide to give this guy one?

    China is correct in interpreting it as a slight against them, because ultimately it seems clear the point is not to actually honor anything the guy did, but simply make a negative statement about China.
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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I am talking about their response towards Norway and the Nobel committee.



    There are not any specific ones I can name off the top of my head, but there are ones I know about whose names I can't recall that are more deserving. Well, Hu Jia was at least more deserving than him, though I think there are still better choices. Do you not find it odd that they have never given a Peace Prize to someone in prison before, but then suddenly they decide to give this guy one?

    China is correct in interpreting it as a slight against them, because ultimately it seems clear the point is not to actually honor anything the guy did, but simply make a negative statement about China.
    But Hu Jia is in prison too. He got a peace award from the European parliament a couple years ago and the Chinese government reacted in a similar manner. These things are inevitably political, since peace (or rather people who practice non-violent resistance, as these winners tend to be awarded for) is intrinsically political. Lutuli was imprisoned in 1960, so I'm not sure why you say no previous Nobel winners were in jail. I fail to see how Norway would benefit from pissing off China, I doubt the government had a direct hand in the selection.

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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    But Hu Jia is in prison too. He got a peace award from the European parliament a couple years ago and the Chinese government reacted in a similar manner.
    I know he is in prison, just noting that he is one is more deserving. Most of the ones who have gone to prison however are generally less impactful than the ones who haven't. Granted, I do not remember all the names and circumstances.

    Lutuli was imprisoned in 1960, so I'm not sure why you say no previous Nobel winners were in jail.
    He was under house arrest, I think, and several have been under such circumstances when awarded the prize. At any rate apparently he was actually allowed to go to the ceremony.

    I fail to see how Norway would benefit from pissing off China, I doubt the government had a direct hand in the selection.
    I fail to see how the leaders of these various countries would benefit from meeting with the Dalai Lama when they know it will piss off China, but they still do it.
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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I think their reaction is quite sensible. Like I said the committee responsible for giving out this prize is appointed entirely by Norway's parliament. You will also note the only time they ever seem to consider a critic of the Chinese government is when that critic is in prison. Clearly it is less about actually awarding someone for promoting reform or progress in China and all about casting aspersions on the Chinese government.

    There were many nominees mentioned who are more deserving of such a prize.
    Once again, you come out and support the thugs in Beijing. Their reaction is quite sensible?!?!? His wife is now under de facto house arrest and they are using this as an excuse to further harass dissidents in the country who do little more than call for the exercise of rights that are written in the PRC constitution, not to mention stepped up harassment of human rights lawyers in the country.

    Makes sense?!?!? Yeah, only to those who support totalitarian thugs.
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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I am talking about their response towards Norway and the Nobel committee.
    Please tell me you are kidding. China always threatens and blusters when anyone does something they don't like. So, the Nobel committee awards someone who has received international recognition for his work against the tyrants in Beijing. Yeah, it is an understandable response -- the response of tyrants. It is sad that some like yourself have been so duped into supporting those tyrants that you consistantly defend them on this board.
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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Do you not find it odd that they have never given a Peace Prize to someone in prison before, but then suddenly they decide to give this guy one?
    Aung San Suu Kyi was under house arrest when she won the award in 1991. Bishop Tutu had been imprisoned PRIOR to receiving his prize in 1984, but had been released by the time he was awarded it. The same is true of Nelson Mendela.

    He has been an advocate for peaceful change in China. The human rights situation in the country is atrocious. Liu and those like him deserve to be recognized for the work they are doing to bring change to one of the world's worst regimes.
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    Re: Chinese dissident Liu wins Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Aung San Suu Kyi was under house arrest when she won the award in 1991. .
    Oh yeah, that was probably the most obvious example and I doubt she got to collect it either.

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