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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    schools have zero tolerance policies, and can expel kids almost at will. where do you live that your schools have to allow misbehavior?
    Your area is not typical in large cities. Chicago has atrocious behavior problems. Coppers in the schools. Metal detectors at the doors. Lockdowns. They don't expel the students. Why? It would effect their funding. At least that's how it looks to the outsider. Chicago public schools are a failure.
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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    If you actually cared about the quality of education...
    Logical Fallacies» Appeal to Pity

    Can you argue WITHOUT logical fallacies? I somehow doubt it.

    The point of public schools is not to teach nor give them an education.
    Evidence? It certainly appears that a good 7 hours per day of teaching is occuring in most public schools.

    The history of public education in the US is all about indoctrinating children to fit into the mold that society wants them to be in.
    Subjectivist fallacy.

    Learning is optional as evidenced by test scores of public education in the US and against other industrialized countries.
    Red herring. Other industrialized countries ALSO rely on public educational systems.

    Perhaps logic wasn't covered in your home school.

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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Logical Fallacies» Appeal to Pity

    Can you argue WITHOUT logical fallacies? I somehow doubt it.



    Evidence? It certainly appears that a good 7 hours per day of teaching is occuring in most public schools.



    Subjectivist fallacy.



    Red herring. Other industrialized countries ALSO rely on public educational systems.

    Perhaps logic wasn't covered in your home school.
    You asked me to not use this thread to make statements and I complied with your wishes only to have you remark about my statements. I guess that you're unable to do what you asked me to do.

    I already posted up my documentation under the link of John Gatto to his book The Underground History of American Education. I suggest you read it.

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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's horse****. I went to private school for a little bit.

    The bully was strong there, in some ways stronger.
    I went from one private grade school (coed thru 6 grade then all girls) to another where the upper school was boys. Being a new kid in 7th grade and small (I didn't hit 6-1 until a big growth spurt in 10th grade) I was picked on. well two things happened. My late father, a former Golden gloves finalist, taught me how to box and after busting a few noses, people stopped screwing with me and when four kids jumped on me, a senior who was once picked on himself, and was now the star running back on the football team, trashed three of the four and the last guy was the wimpiest of the four and the senior sort of stood guard at the door of the class room where I gave that boy a boxing lesson. When I was an upperclassman and now one of the tallest guys in the class, I did the same sort of thing. sure some kids were picked on more than others but at a small school everyone knew what was going on and it never got out of hand and if someone was out of line, other students generally took care of the problem before the headmaster got involved.

    at big public schools things are far worse, especially at ones where many of the students don't give a rats ass.



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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I went from one private grade school (coed thru 6 grade then all girls) to another where the upper school was boys. Being a new kid in 7th grade and small (I didn't hit 6-1 until a big growth spurt in 10th grade) I was picked on. well two things happened. My late father, a former Golden gloves finalist, taught me how to box and after busting a few noses, people stopped screwing with me and when four kids jumped on me, a senior who was once picked on himself, and was now the star running back on the football team, trashed three of the four and the last guy was the wimpiest of the four and the senior sort of stood guard at the door of the class room where I gave that boy a boxing lesson. When I was an upperclassman and now one of the tallest guys in the class, I did the same sort of thing. sure some kids were picked on more than others but at a small school everyone knew what was going on and it never got out of hand and if someone was out of line, other students generally took care of the problem before the headmaster got involved.

    at big public schools things are far worse, especially at ones where many of the students don't give a rats ass.
    Depends on the student body. Area. Affluence.

    I had less bullying at a public school in Canada, then I had at 150 year old boarding school in Britain...

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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    You asked me to not use this thread to make statements
    You are misquoting me. And, your logic sucks. For that, no apology is sufficient.

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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    at big public schools things are far worse
    Large schools are a problem. The greater the school size and anonymity of students, the more they will have problems with this sort of thing. However, there are large private schools with similar problems.

    I don't believe that there is any research that suggests that bullying is a public school only issue, or that the problem is substantially worse in public schools.

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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You are misquoting me. And, your logic sucks. For that, no apology is sufficient.
    I didn't expect you to apologize nor did I want you to. However, by continuing to reply to my posts you have become what you said I did.

    Your attempt to use this tragedy as a bully pulpit to honk the horn of your ridiculous beliefs is also duly noted for the repugnant act it is.
    Stay classy or not since the choice is yours.
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 10-08-10 at 11:53 AM.

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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Barbara Coloroso, a national anti-bullying expert...


    Seriously?
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    Re: 1 Ohio school, 4 bullied teens dead at own hand

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They don't expel the students. Why? It would effect their funding. At least that's how it looks to the outsider. Chicago public schools are a failure.
    "the way it looks to an outsider" isn't exactly evidence.

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