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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You must have missed the quotation marks. It's not like there are 42 states warning people to not drink tap water because they will die.
    We all die sometime. The question is, does the regular drinking of contaminated tap water make it more likely you will have health issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    We all die sometime. The question is, does the regular drinking of contaminated tap water make it more likely you will have health issues?
    I'm more worried about dihydrogen monoxide killing me first. It's a key component of acid rain.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    It's their decision unless it's soda? Soda isn't only thing that contributes to obesity.
    I meant it's their decision whether they want to spend their food stamp allowance on generics, or spend a little more of it on name-brands. Neither of those is particularly more likely to cause obesity than the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002
    Should we limit them to only being able to purchase mustard as a condiment since ketchup is full of sugar and mayonaise is full of fat? Where does it end?
    Meh, depends. I have no problem prohibiting people from buying things with their food stamps that clearly have no nutritional value, like soda. Since after all, the purpose of the food stamp program is to alleviate poverty by providing people with enough to eat. Soda doesn't really fit that goal, since it only provides "empty calories."

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    A person who dies of heart failure at 50 is cheaper in the long run than a person who dies at 80 of cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Trace amounts of chemicals for which the gov has not yet developed standards does not prove that the water in question is unsafe.

    Again, I would wager that >99.5% of Americans have access to tap water that meets or exceeds all water safety regulations.
    You would win that bet... since you said 'or'...

    But your original wager was:

    I would wager than >99.5% of people in this country have access to "safe" tap water in their homes.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You would win that bet... since you said 'or'...

    But your original wager was
    Those two statements are not incongruous. If something "meets or exceeds" a safety standard, then it is safe.

    Either way, the point is that ~100% of people in the US have access to safe drinking water, which is what I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Those two statements are not incongruous. If something "meets or exceeds" a safety standard, then it is safe.
    Not true at all.

    If the standard is lax or insufficient, then 'meeting' that standard does not make something 'safe'. There is, I guess, an illusion of safety when we hear about standards, FDA, OSHA, etc.

    Either way, the point is that ~100% of people in the US have access to safe drinking water, which is what I said.
    And I showed you that you were wrong.

    In fact, this has been a HOT issue lately.



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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Not true at all.

    If the standard is lax or insufficient, then 'meeting' that standard does not make something 'safe'. There is, I guess, an illusion of safety when we hear about standards, FDA, OSHA, etc.
    If the government says that it meets all environmental standards, then that's the best tool we have for determining whether or not the water is "safe." I don't care if you think the standards should be higher, because you're not an expert on this, nor are you tasked with developing said standards.

    And I showed you that you were wrong.
    No, you absolutely did not. You misinterpreted an article and then ignored the UN link I provided which showed that 100% of people in the US have access to safe drinking water.

    For the last time, anecdotal evidence of individual people experiencing water safety issues =/= proof that a non-trivial portion of the country does not have access to safe drinking water.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If the government says that it meets all environmental standards, then that's the best tool we have for determining whether or not the water is "safe."
    So now Government is good?

    Isn't the best tool science, investigation, rigorous testing?


    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't care if you think the standards should be higher, because you're not an expert on this, nor are you tasked with developing said standards.
    Although I can read an article and think about it, keep it in mind while reading other articles, then make up my own mind, I am not an 'expert' in water.

    The good news is, the people now in charge at the EPA, are experts and they care about this.

    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has threatened to take over enforcing part of the Clean Water Act if the Alabama Department of Environmental Management doesn't hold cities to higher standards for keeping waterways clean.

    The warning from the EPA, which specifically applies to storm sewer pollution control in small cities, is one of several steps the agency has taken recently focusing on Alabama's program for protecting water quality.

    The EPA has issued a series of audits critical of how local governments, under ADEM's watch, have been carrying out their obligations to control sediment and other pollutants that run into creeks and streams during rain storms. Sedimentation, caused by muddy runoff and by the rush of water flowing off paved surfaces, is considered a principal source of harm to rivers such as the Cahaba. It makes the river inhospitable to aquatic life, makes it harder to treat for drinking water and increases the potential for flooding as the river channel fills in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, you absolutely did not. You misinterpreted an article and then ignored the UN link I provided which showed that 100% of people in the US have access to safe drinking water.
    I guess I instinctively ignored your source because I've beed down this road with you before. You get caught making a seriously false statement, then you scramble to justify it with any nonsense source you can find. But if you insists on shoving your one-page pamphlet on 3rd world countries in my face, I'll have to explain why it's not relevant or valid:

    1990-2000? You showed a one-page Unicef pamphlet about drinking water in poor countries. Among the big pictures and charts in the pamplet, the U.S. is listed with other Industrialized countries as 100% drinkable. Whatever. No indication of their source or how the person designing this one page pamphlet came by this data... back in 2000.

    Therefore, I'd say that you 'showed' nothing. Again.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    For the last time, anecdotal evidence of individual people experiencing water safety issues =/= proof that a non-trivial portion of the country does not have access to safe drinking water.
    Of course, because everyone knows that water is naturally flammable.... Which reminds me of a humorous anecdote about a man smoking in the shower...

    Don't worry, the EPA is on top of all of this...http://www.epa.gov/tribal/pdf/hydrau...fact-sheet.pdf

    EPA to Hold Listening Sessions on Potential Revisions to Water Quality Standards Regulation

    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) will hold two public listening sessions on potential changes to the water quality standards regulation before proposing a national rule. The current regulation, which has been in place since 1983, governs how states and authorized tribes adopt standards needed under the Clean Water Act to protect the quality of their rivers, streams, lakes, and estuaries. Potential revisions include strengthening protection for water bodies with water quality that already exceeds or meet the interim goals of the Clean Water Act; ensuring that standards reflect a continued commitment to these goals wherever attainable; improving transparency of regulatory decisions; and strengthening federal oversight.
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    Check out the EPA site, and get up to speed on the facts about how many water issues we have in the U.S.

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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    I guess its fair enough
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Why don't they also limit the recipients to purchasing generic products instead of the name brands when they both exist?
    Unless you set up a store that only sells generic items to stamp collectors, that will never work, because the checkout line at Wal-Mart isn't going to segregate generic/name brand items that pruchased with food stamps.

    If you're going to do that, you might as well set up monthly rations for welfare recipients.
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