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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Rev, I hear ya. And if they were working to prevent EVERYONE from buying soda, I would be loading a shotgun and heading to the governor's door.

    But, I have absolutely no issue at all with any organization telling recipients of their charity how they can and cannot spend the money they receive from them. They don't let food stamp recipients by alcohol or cigs either, and I gather you would agree with that as well. This is just pushing the line back even further, and it's something that should have been done a long time ago.
    It's on par w/the WIC (Women, Infants and Children) program. Mothers can only purchase certain items on the nutrition list. Same should go for purchases made using Food Stamps. In fact, that's how it use to be. I've actually witnessed a few cashiers ring up a product that wasn't an authorized items to buy using Food Stamps.

    Food Stamps cards are essentially debit cards; so it's not a problem to scan the item and let the "system" accept it or reject it. If accepted, the purchase goes right on thru. If the "system" questions the purchase, a store mgr/supv is suppose to verify the purchase. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some purchases aren't properly verified, i.e., soda and other snack foods. So, to me this restriction on sodas is a step in the right direction.

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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Just like the smoking ban, the trans fat ban, people were like "yeah right" and called us all sorts of consiracy nuts....


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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    New City Move Against Soda - WSJ.com (The link title is different than the article title)

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    This topic spurred some outrage when it was discussed as a hypothetical. I'm hoping they get approved so that they can test this out.
    Personally, I'd rather they target foods containing HFCS than sugar. But since sodas contain HFC and that's probably the main way people take it in, I'm fine with this.

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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Personally, I'd rather they target foods containing HFCS than sugar. But since sodas contain HFC and that's probably the main way people take it in, I'm fine with this.
    HFCS is basically the same thing as sugar, only it is made artificially. They are both on par with honey and molasses. I just read an article on this a week or so ago, written by a dietician on the biggest food myths. It is a myth that HFCS is any worse than sugar. All sugar or sugar-like intakes should be limited as if they are the same thing.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Why don't they also limit the recipients to purchasing generic products instead of the name brands when they both exist?
    Meh, I don't think it's really necessary. As I understand it, the food stamp program gives people X dollars to spend on food items. If they want to spend a little more of their allowance on the name-brand product, I think that's fine...it's their decision and really doesn't harm the state at all. I'm more concerned about people buying things on the government's dime they shouldn't be buying at all...like soda.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    HFCS is basically the same thing as sugar, only it is made artificially. They are both on par with honey and molasses. I just read an article on this a week or so ago, written by a dietician on the biggest food myths. It is a myth that HFCS is any worse than sugar. All sugar or sugar-like intakes should be limited as if they are the same thing.
    Obviously that dietician must have been on the payroll of corn producers(/sarcasm). Regular sucrose is going to be better digestively because it absorbs easier, but the harmful affects of HFCS are vastly overstated by its detractors.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Obviously that dietician must have been on the payroll of corn producers(/sarcasm). Regular sucrose is going to be better digestively because it absorbs easier, but the harmful affects of HFCS are vastly overstated by its detractors.
    Really, though HFCS does get to the heart of this issue. Soda is artificially cheap, which is why people buy it instead of, say, milk. It's cheaper because we have enormous corn subsidies in this country. To the tune of billions of dollars. As a result, farmers grow so much extra corn they don't know what to do with it, so they started making corn syrup. Even that didn't suck up the excess supply, so they started making freaking fuel out of corn.

    Dump the corn subsidies and you wont have this issue because soda will cost more.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Really, though HFCS does get to the heart of this issue. Soda is artificially cheap, which is why people buy it instead of, say, milk. It's cheaper because we have enormous corn subsidies in this country. To the tune of billions of dollars. As a result, farmers grow so much extra corn they don't know what to do with it, so they started making corn syrup. Even that didn't suck up the excess supply, so they started making freaking fuel out of corn.

    Dump the corn subsidies and you wont have this issue because soda will cost more.
    I don't necessarily disagree. I'm not a big fan of the corn subsidies. But we can't alleviate people of their personal responsibility for their own health, by placing the blame on industry instead. That's not getting to the heart of the matter, which is health education and encouragement of active lifestyles. Suing, or blocking HFCS doesn't address either of those core principles.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not so sure. Not sure how safe tap water is, and bottled water isn't always cheaper.
    I would wager than >99.5% of people in this country have access to "safe" tap water in their homes.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Why don't they also limit the recipients to purchasing generic products instead of the name brands when they both exist?
    I think WIC does something like this. Back when I was a cashier, I remember it saying something like "good for up to 1lb of cheese costing up to $3.99," which effectively limited purchases to the more economical brands.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Personally, I'd rather they target foods containing HFCS than sugar. But since sodas contain HFC and that's probably the main way people take it in, I'm fine with this.
    Agreed, but I'd prefer they target HFCS via eliminating the corn subsidies as mentioned above.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Meh, I don't think it's really necessary. As I understand it, the food stamp program gives people X dollars to spend on food items. If they want to spend a little more of their allowance on the name-brand product, I think that's fine...it's their decision and really doesn't harm the state at all. I'm more concerned about people buying things on the government's dime they shouldn't be buying at all...like soda.
    It's their decision unless it's soda? Soda isn't only thing that contributes to obesity. Should we limit them to only being able to purchase mustard as a condiment since ketchup is full of sugar and mayonaise is full of fat? Where does it end?

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