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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Rev
    they are already talking about a soda tax in ny, this is a stepping stone.
    I only consider it mildly related.

    If it's about sin taxes in a microcosm, it's the government telling me how to use my money. If it's welfare/food stamps, it's the government telling you how to use my money.

    Government has no business telling me how I use my money. They have all the business telling someone else how to use my money. I don't work to subsidize another's bad behavior.

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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I only consider it mildly related.

    I live here. It's completley related.


    If it's about sin taxes in a microcosm, it's the government telling me how to use my money. If it's welfare/food stamps, it's the government telling you how to use my money.

    This is true however, this is NY, it's wouldn't be the first time.



    Government has no business telling me how I use my money. They have all the business telling someone else how to use my money. I don't work to subsidize another's bad behavior.

    If I see NYC become San Francisco-esque where they try to create the San Angeles portrayed in Demolition Man, then I'll stand up.

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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Rev, I hear ya. And if they were working to prevent EVERYONE from buying soda, I would be loading a shotgun and heading to the governor's door.

    But, I have absolutely no issue at all with any organization telling recipients of their charity how they can and cannot spend the money they receive from them. They don't let food stamp recipients by alcohol or cigs either, and I gather you would agree with that as well. This is just pushing the line back even further, and it's something that should have been done a long time ago.

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    I'm all for this. I say we go a step further and make an entire industry out of fat people. We simply cut them up and sell the meat at incredibly low prices. It's a win-win situation for everyone. Except fat people.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Makes sense to me. If the government is going to be paying for someone's meals via food stamps, they shouldn't pay for crap with no nutritional value that's just going to cost even more later on, in terms of health care.
    So, while we're worried about people buying sody-pops with their welfare money, people are taking cruises with welfare money and it's all good.
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    Here's my conflict in this...

    I actually like this in a very narrow sense. The government is giving you the publics money because, supposedly, you're greatly in need. If you're in such great need that you need money taken from people who are actually working for it and given to you then you should be using it on ESSENTIAL things. In regards to food, ESSENTIAL things are things that are nutritious and help out your body. This is something Soda isn't really. Soda is the food equivilent of a DVD. Yeah, DVD's are handy because they help you pass the time by watching something entertaining...but they're not ESSENTIAL.

    More to the point, Food Stamps really aren't YOUR money, its the peoples money controlled by the government that they're vesting into your control. As such, the government has a legitimate say or interest in what that money is spent to purchase.

    On the flip side, this is one of the reasons I am firmly against a single payer health care system or any form of increased government interaction with health care. It opens up more and more of our lives into being in the "government interest". When suddenly its not my money paying for Health Care but the government using the peoples money to do it then my body, my choice, is removed to a degree. This concerns me greatly.

    It also concerns me a bit in a broader view acknowledging the slippery slope, as it can be a stepping stone to getting people used to the idea of Soda or some other type of "unhealthy" food being banned in a small degree to then expand upon said ban to a larger degree.

    So in a very, very narrow sense I fully support and even like this action. However it gives further reenforcement to my desire to fervently oppose and fight universal health care and makes me curious to see if the slide down the slippery slope will commence or not.

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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Here's my conflict in this...

    I actually like this in a very narrow sense. The government is giving you the publics money because, supposedly, you're greatly in need. If you're in such great need that you need money taken from people who are actually working for it and given to you then you should be using it on ESSENTIAL things. In regards to food, ESSENTIAL things are things that are nutritious and help out your body. This is something Soda isn't really. Soda is the food equivilent of a DVD. Yeah, DVD's are handy because they help you pass the time by watching something entertaining...but they're not ESSENTIAL.

    More to the point, Food Stamps really aren't YOUR money, its the peoples money controlled by the government that they're vesting into your control. As such, the government has a legitimate say or interest in what that money is spent to purchase.

    On the flip side, this is one of the reasons I am firmly against a single payer health care system or any form of increased government interaction with health care. It opens up more and more of our lives into being in the "government interest". When suddenly its not my money paying for Health Care but the government using the peoples money to do it then my body, my choice, is removed to a degree. This concerns me greatly.

    It also concerns me a bit in a broader view acknowledging the slippery slope, as it can be a stepping stone to getting people used to the idea of Soda or some other type of "unhealthy" food being banned in a small degree to then expand upon said ban to a larger degree.

    So in a very, very narrow sense I fully support and even like this action. However it gives further reenforcement to my desire to fervently oppose and fight universal health care and makes me curious to see if the slide down the slippery slope will commence or not.
    That is 100% my reason for being against UHC. When the government has a vested financial interest in your health, they have the right to impose rules on you with regard to your health.

    As for the slippery slope regarding banning things, I don't really agree since food stamp recipients can't buy alcohol either and we don't see calls to ban that. (well, not since prohibition didn't go over so well, anyway )

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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Rev, I hear ya. And if they were working to prevent EVERYONE from buying soda, I would be loading a shotgun and heading to the governor's door.

    But, I have absolutely no issue at all with any organization telling recipients of their charity how they can and cannot spend the money they receive from them. They don't let food stamp recipients by alcohol or cigs either, and I gather you would agree with that as well. This is just pushing the line back even further, and it's something that should have been done a long time ago.


    Riv, they are working on it this is ny and the tryant bloomberg we are talking about.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Government money should not be used to buy junk food. Also, there needs to be more regulations in general. I don't like government intrusion where it's not necessary, but look at the facts... there is an obesity epidemic. If it were a viral epidemic, there would be all sorts of mandatory procedures put into place to try and stop it; but because it's obesity, something gradual and not instantly life threatening, people are against certain controls.

    Stopping the sugary products is only one side of the problem. Obesity represents malnourishment. The body is lacking essential nutrients and so it goes into survival mode, which involves hording calories. Too many people are eating high calorie, nutrient poor foods.

    The use of high fructose corn syrup in virtually everything seriously needs regulation. The sugar industry has had way too much of an influence on government policy and now we are seeing serious health effects.

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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Riv, they are working on it this is ny and the tryant bloomberg we are talking about.
    But that is a separate issue. THIS move is the right one. What you're talking about is not. The two issues - while maybe motivated for the same reasons and by the same people - are not the same.

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