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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why do you people have this absurd notion that just because the government takes your money that it is no longer yours or that your should not have a say in how it is spent?
    Because 1: it is no longer yours. You pay the government to provide certain services. Like road care, fire departments, police departments, protection from invasion and many many other services. Since this is a large country with millions of people with millions of things to do and many more millions of things that are needed there are bound to be things which you do not like. Get over it. A tax is a part of your bills. Unless the money is in your hands or invested into something that you personally have invested in then the money is no longer yours. Facts of life.

    2: As I have already stated you do have some say as to what taxes go towards, at the polling station. Beyond that you have none. This to is a fact of life. Unless of course there is some type of service that millions of people don't know about that tracks thier money specifically that you know about? Then you might have a case.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This does not change the fact that welfare, wic, section 8 housing and foodstamps is a helping hand not a gift. Do you understand this fact? Those things are not gifts.
    And if a friends asks for some money for food because they need it and you give it to them do you tell them what they can/cannot buy with it? Or do you just let them buy what they want?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they really need it then they should not be spending those foodstamps on soda,cakes,cookies, energy drinks and other similar things.
    Why? Because they're "treats" or "not nutritional"? Do they not deserve something good in their life also? Or are they too poor to deserve anything good?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not telling them how to live their life. I am telling them that if I give you money to feed yourself then here is what you can and can not spend that money on.
    Again, do you do the same with a friend when they ask for money for some food? And when you limit what type of food that they can have based off of "nutritional values" then you are expecting them to live by your standards of life. Which means you are telling them how to live their life.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Alright, you want to limit them to nothing but nutritional food then right? Ok. How about we make it to where they can no longer buy anything that is not good for ya. Salt, red meat, chicken (cause they could fry it..which is bad for ya), potatoes, fish (mercury is bad for ya)....basically make it to where they cannot buy anything except vegetables, tofu, and penuts. Put em on a vegetarian diet. Hows that sound?
    Although I'm not necessarily opposed to limiting food stamps to healthy food, that is much more complicated to micromanage. We can at least eliminate the low-hanging fruit like soda, which is the biggest contributor to obesity and has literally no nutritional content unlike those other things you mentioned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    I'm sure PETA would LOVE that. If you allow anything else then your plea for it being for health reasons is null and void.
    It's not just for health reasons, it's because soda is outside the scope of the program. Food stamps are intended to alleviate poverty and avoid malnutrition by providing people with enough food to get their nutrients. Spending taxpayer money on products that don't accomplish that goal are a waste of money.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Although I'm not necessarily opposed to limiting food stamps to healthy food, that is much more complicated to micromanage. We can at least eliminate the low-hanging fruit like soda, which is the biggest contributor to obesity and has literally no nutritional content unlike those other things you mentioned.
    Actually the biggest contributor to obesity is inactivity. I have suggested before that one rule of getting foodstamps is to look for a job for those that don't have one..this would help fight obesity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's not just for health reasons, it's because soda is outside the scope of the program. Food stamps are intended to alleviate poverty and avoid malnutrition by providing people with enough food to get their nutrients. Spending taxpayer money on products that don't accomplish that goal are a waste of money.
    Foodstamps was brought into play to avoid people starving to death. Not to avoid malnutrition as you are using the term.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    I think it is a good idea. If people can't be responsible for their own health, then if the government is going to supply them with food stamps it should have jurisdiction over what is a good idea and what is not. Instead of buying sodas they need to be buying milk or juice.

    Those of us who are paying for our own stuff can buy sodas and gain weight or be unhealthy, if that is what we want. It is our own dime!



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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually the biggest contributor to obesity is inactivity. I have suggested before that one rule of getting foodstamps is to look for a job for those that don't have one..this would help fight obesity.
    Definitely, everyone should be active...but again, you have the problem of mission creep. Regulating people's activity to fight obesity is much farther outside the scope of the food stamp program than regulating what foods they can buy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    Foodstamps was brought into play to avoid people starving to death. Not to avoid malnutrition as you are using the term.
    They're essentially the same thing...starving to death is just a more severe form of malnutrition. Soda doesn't accomplish the goal of preventing starvation/malnutrition. It provides empty calories, not nutrients. People need nutrients to avoid starvation, not just calories.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Definitely, everyone should be active...but again, you have the problem of mission creep. Regulating people's activity to fight obesity is much farther outside the scope of the food stamp program than regulating what foods they can buy.
    This sounds to me like you wouldn't mind if the government stepped in and regulated people enough to keep them physically healthy. That's not the case is it? I'll admit I might be reading too much into it..but that is how it sounds...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They're essentially the same thing...starving to death is just a more severe form of malnutrition. Soda doesn't accomplish the goal of preventing starvation/malnutrition. It provides empty calories, not nutrients. People need nutrients to avoid starvation, not just calories.
    Being "essentially the same thing" is not the same as "being the same thing". What you are doing is expanding on their powers to something which it was never intended to be. Much like how the government has expanded on their powers beyond that which they were intended to have. Where does it stop? Once you start letting people control everything about your lives you are no longer free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    I think it is a good idea. If people can't be responsible for their own health, then if the government is going to supply them with food stamps it should have jurisdiction over what is a good idea and what is not. Instead of buying sodas they need to be buying milk or juice.

    Those of us who are paying for our own stuff can buy sodas and gain weight or be unhealthy, if that is what we want. It is our own dime!
    The government should have no buisness in telling a person what they can and cannot eat. That leads to the realm of tyranny.
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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This sounds to me like you wouldn't mind if the government stepped in and regulated people enough to keep them physically healthy. That's not the case is it? I'll admit I might be reading too much into it..but that is how it sounds...
    If the government was paying for our food, I guess they would have the right, but they don't.



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    Re: Soda Is Target of New Assault

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The government should have no buisness in telling a person what they can and cannot eat. That leads to the realm of tyranny.

    If they are paying for it, they have every right.

    They don't tell me what to eat because they don't pay for my food.
    That is why they are not allowed to buy cigarettes, either. Nothing wrong with that.



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