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    Re: Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's it? "Misinformation" claim is all you got? That's pathetic.


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    What more would you want? He simply has his facts wrong. It is appropriate to point that out. It comes from reading sources that don't get their facts quite right. You can only continue a discussion once the facts are established. Believing falshoods limit how far a conversation can go.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Wow, $14 million. So thats where Meg Whitman's money went
    LOL!

    more mindlessness from the bankrupted obamite camp

    $14,000,000 in one quarter, 94% in bundles under $100

    that's an awful lot of PREPAID CREDIT CARDS

    Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign is allowing donors to use largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor's identity, campaign officials confirmed.

    Faced with a huge influx of donations over the Internet, the campaign has also chosen not to use basic security measures to prevent potentially illegal or anonymous contributions from flowing into its accounts, aides acknowledged.

    In recent weeks, questionable contributions have created headaches for Obama's accounting team as it has tried to explain why campaign finance filings have included itemized donations from individuals using fake names, such as Es Esh or Doodad Pro. Those revelations prompted conservative bloggers to further test Obama's finance vetting by giving money using the kind of prepaid cards that can be bought at a drugstore and cannot be traced to a donor.

    The problem with such cards, campaign finance lawyers said, is that they make it impossible to tell whether foreign nationals, donors who have exceeded the limits, government contractors or others who are barred from giving to a federal campaign are making contributions.

    The Obama campaign has shattered presidential fundraising records, in part by capitalizing on the ease of online giving. Of the $150 million the senator from Illinois raised in September, nearly $100 million came in over the Internet.

    The Obama team's disclosures came in response to questions from The Washington Post about the case of Mary T. Biskup, a retired insurance manager from Manchester, Mo., who turned up on Obama's FEC reports as having donated $174,800 to the campaign. Contributors are limited to giving $2,300 for the general election.
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    Re: Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

    RealClearPolitics - Election 2010 - Nevada Senate - Angle vs. Reid

    what's the trouble with harry?

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    Re: Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

    Reid lost the debate to Angle - Friday, Oct. 15, 2010 | 2:01 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun

    Let’s get the easy part out of the way first:

    Sharron Angle won The Big Debate.

    Angle won because she looked relatively credible, appearing not to be the Wicked Witch of the West (Christine O’Donnell is the good witch of the Tea Party) and scoring many more rhetorical points. And she won because Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid looked as if he could barely stay on a linear argument, abruptly switching gears and failing to effectively parry or thrust.

    Whether the debate affects the outcome — I believe very few Nevadans are undecided — it also perfectly encapsulated the race: An aging senator who has mastered the inside political game but fundamentally does not seem to care about his public role (and is terrible at it) versus an ever-smiling political climber who can deliver message points but sometimes changes her message or denies a previous one even existed.

    NBC’s Chuck Todd: “Reid’s problem tonight is that while Angle wasn’t great, his performance made her look passable.”

    Politico’s Dave Catanese: “Utterly subpar.”

    Political Wire’s Taegan Goddard: “Reid didn’t knock out Angle but she had him on the ropes. Have to give the edge to Angle ...”

    Political writer Taylor Marsh may have summed it up best: “Sharron Angle passed the ‘I’m not crazy test’ with flying colors. Focused too. This lady just might pull this off. Reid didn’t take her out.”

    But did he take himself out, once and for all, with his dismissiveness, his sarcastic and loopy use of “my friend” and Senatese, his shifting of subjects in the middle of thoughts, beginning with his opening statements?
    Angle mops the floor with Reid - The Complete Las Vegan - ReviewJournal.com

    While both candidates -- Sharron Angle and Harry Reid -- started out slow and tight in their debate this evening, by debate close it was clear: Angle mopped the floor with Reid.

    She hit hard on a variety of topics; showed she had the fire to be a U.S. Senator; demonstrated a command of the issues; and, of course, stayed gaffe free.

    Reid meanwhile looked tired. Sounded entitled. He mixed up the Department of Education with the Department of Energy. Couldn't find his notes for the close and generally fell back on talking points on far too many questions.
    Angle Nearly Lands Knockout Blow Against Reid - Hotline On Call

    Throughout the Nevada Senate campaign, it was Republican Sharron Angle who looked unprepared for-prime-time. But after last night's debate, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid looked more like the gaffe-prone politician as he struggled to make headway in one of the closest and most consequential Senate contests.

    Angle took full advantage of Reid's position as a political insider, taunting him for his support of Democratic policies, from the stimulus to the health care bill. At one point, Angle told Reid to "man up" [over the status quo of social security] - and later questioned how he became so wealthy as a public servant.

    "I'm not a career politician," Angle said in her opening remarks. "I live in a middle class neighborhood in Reno; Senator Reid lives in the Ritz-Carlton in Washington, DC."

    Reid, recognizing the importance of the economy in this election, said his top priority as a senator is to create jobs. Angle retorted: "Harry Reid, it's not your job to create jobs. It's your job to create confidence to get the private sector to create jobs."

    Reid didn't help his own cause either, fumbling through his notes during his closing statement and misidentifying the "Department of Education" as the "Department of Energy" and failing to aggressively take advantage of Angle's very conservative positions on whole host of issues.

    By debate's end, Reid had failed to land any significant blows on Angle. He looked unprepared for Angle's barbs. With just one day until early voting becomes available to Nevada residents, Reid's performance didn't improve his precarious political standing.

    And Angle, who only needed to demonstrate she wasn't as extreme as portrayed in Democratic commercials, performed that job adequately.
    there really IS something wrong with harry

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    Re: Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You mean like death panels and socialism? I won't argue no misinformation came from democrats, but it is the blantant lies of the opposition that have made it impossible to treat this subject reasonably.
    "reasonable"--That word sounds funny when looking at this:
    http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/1..._engrossed.pdf

    "Resolved, That the bill from the House of Representatives (H.R. 3590) entitled ‘‘An Act to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes.’’, do pass with the following AMENDMENTS:
    Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the following: ...."

    "the following" is 2400+ pages of gobble-di-gook that makes it impossible to treat this subject reasonably. It's a cut & paste hodge-podge of BS that any drunken undergrad would be proud to sign his name on to get credit for. No professor who had anything better to do would waste his time reading it, and neither did most of the legislators who voted for it.

    You can't have a reasonable discussion about something that is, itself, unreasonable.

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    Go the revolution . truckin along to 2012

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    Re: Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What more would you want? He simply has his facts wrong. It is appropriate to point that out. It comes from reading sources that don't get their facts quite right. You can only continue a discussion once the facts are established. Believing falshoods limit how far a conversation can go.


    What? What do you mean 'once the facts are established'? By whom? you? Nah, I don't think so Joe.....


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    Re: Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What? What do you mean 'once the facts are established'? By whom? you? Nah, I don't think so Joe.....


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    J, facts are not opinions. They are not according to anyone. They're facts. The problem is that you don't understand this. Neither does the prof. That's why so much time is spend on your side finding people you agree with. Your time would be better spend trying to get the facts down first.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    "reasonable"--That word sounds funny when looking at this:
    http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/1..._engrossed.pdf

    "Resolved, That the bill from the House of Representatives (H.R. 3590) entitled ‘‘An Act to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes.’’, do pass with the following AMENDMENTS:
    Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the following: ...."

    "the following" is 2400+ pages of gobble-di-gook that makes it impossible to treat this subject reasonably. It's a cut & paste hodge-podge of BS that any drunken undergrad would be proud to sign his name on to get credit for. No professor who had anything better to do would waste his time reading it, and neither did most of the legislators who voted for it.

    You can't have a reasonable discussion about something that is, itself, unreasonable.
    All bills are written in legalese. Nothing new about that. Nor will it change becasue you or I have troubel reading it. But, no, this does not excuse anyone from being unreeasonable. Sorry.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Reid on the Ropes in Nevada

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, facts are not opinions. They are not according to anyone. They're facts. The problem is that you don't understand this. Neither does the prof. That's why so much time is spend on your side finding people you agree with. Your time would be better spend trying to get the facts down first.

    I think that there is a fair amount of source searching going on on both ends of the debate here. See, when making a point it is natural to find facts to back up what you are saying. But I don't necessarily disagree that it can get muddy in what is a 'go to' in terms of reading things that either agree with ones world view, or discount another's. However, if you are really trying to portray this as a problem with only those that disagree with you, then you are really a parody of your own point.

    Look, here are a couple of FACTS for you:

    1.) Reid can't garner above 50% of the vote in his own state.

    2.) Reid is trailing in the polls with nothing of substance to debate on, and prefers personal attacks.

    3.) This one is not a fact yet, but my opinion is that considering the other two facts, Reid is going down in 15 days, and I say thank God!

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