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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A few incompetent parents or guardians does not change the fact it is still the parents or guardian who make the choices in what their kids eat. If a child does not stop pestering or nagging for something after being told no then punish the child, its that simple. You need to assert your authority as the parent aka the boss of the child.
    I'm curious, do you have children? This isnt a personal attack so lets just head that train of thought off before it even starts boarding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    And the well-documented solution to nagging is to pass government programs prohibiting the sale of said item. That's just smart parenting.
    I never said I supported the banning of children's toys from McDonalds. I simply contend that children have FAR more influence over a family purchasing habit than people give them credit for.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Nagging from children is a well documented factor in the purchase of almost anything
    ...only for weak parents who have the authoritarian skills of a stale bagel. The rest of us tell our kids "no" and they know that's the end of it.

    People who cave to the whining and begging of their children are likely the same people who lack the discipline to even care for themselves properly. However, shoving 19 Big Macs into their own face is their choice, not something that the government should be able to regulate. The same goes for their spoiled, rotten kids.

    I'm amazed at the lack of personal responsibility that is exhibited by Americans as a society.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I'm curious, do you have children? This isnt a personal attack so lets just head that train of thought off before it even starts boarding.
    Whether or not I have children is irrelevant to the discussion. I was raised by a competent parent, my mother was raised by competent parents and my grandparents were raised by competent parents and so on. When me and my sisters were little and we pestered my mother or another adult for something after being told no, we would either get a spanking, get grounded or some other punishment. Did your parents cave every time you nagged or pestered them for something? If you have kids do you cave every time they nag or pester you for something? If you have nieces, nephews,kid sisters or kid brothers you watch, do you cave every time they pester you for something?
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    I'd rather see responsible parenting do the conditioning. Neither of my two children have ever eaten at a McDonald's.
    Then why are you concerned about this issue at all?

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Nagging from children is a well documented factor in the purchase of almost anything
    This is such bull****. Of course more purchases occur if the kid says they want something. Holy ****. That's so overwhelmingly a big ole, "DUH!!" How the hell does a parent know what a kid wants as a gift unless the kid says they want it? This goes for any person, not just kids.

    But any parent who buys a kid something that they really think they should not have has only themselves to blame.

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Whether or not I have children is irrelevant to the discussion.
    Actually it's EXTREMELY relevant. Unless you personally have children or have experience dealing with children, your opinion that parents should just ignore nagging and that it's the sign of a weak parent who gives in is based completely on supposition. You dont think it's that hard so you assume it isn't. You are doing the equivalent of a guy seeing a medical procedure on TV and saying "That doesn't look so hard, I could TOTALLY do that!"
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I never said I supported the banning of children's toys from McDonalds. I simply contend that children have FAR more influence over a family purchasing habit than people give them credit for.
    Ah, good. I'll climb aboard that wagon.

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Actually it's EXTREMELY relevant. Unless you personally have children or have experience dealing with children, your opinion that parents should just ignore nagging and that it's the sign of a weak parent who gives in is based completely on supposition. You dont think it's that hard so you assume it isn't.
    Unless you grew up in an environment with no parental authority figure you should have a pretty good idea how to handle children and if you forgot you can always ask your parents how did they handle this or that situation. Did your parents cave every time you nagged or pestered them for something?


    I used to babysit my kid sisters and I occasionally babysit my nieces and nephew.

    You are doing the equivalent of a guy seeing a medical procedure on TV and saying "That doesn't look so hard, I could TOTALLY do that!"
    Not even comparable.Growing up as a child when you are not in school you are practically around your parents 24/7. So you know how they handled you. Even when you were at school you are around adults who handle children and they do not cave to nagging and pestering.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    It's sad to see that there are people who really seem to prefer government intervention to raising their kids on their own.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Then why are you concerned about this issue at all?
    It's not a matter of where I choose to eat, it's a matter of what I think government's interference should be in the lives of the people. I would've thought that was obvious.
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