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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Ok.

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    Personal Responsibility is PARAMOUNT!

    You don't want your kids to eat Mcdonalds, then don't let them eat it. Come up with a convincing argument why the Advertisements are wrong.

    HOWEVER

    One simply cannot ignore the power of advertising, it's becoming a science, they spend millions of dollars, get kids in for focus sessions to find the most effective ways of getting to kids. It's maticulous and almost sinister in a way.

    HOWEVER ONCE AGAIN

    Does not mean that personal responsibility does not take precedent.

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Pobre, making sure kids dont stab themselves with pencils is not the same thing as parenting. You are babysitting and babysitting is not the same thing as parenting. I did the same job with kindergarteners.
    A baby sitter still comes across some of the same problems the parent does. Child throwing a tantrum, child pestering an adult for something after being told no and children doing all kinds of other things.

    Im curious why this matters.
    To basically prove that it is easy for a parent to tell a child no.


    Biologically, no.


    Yes


    I raised (and I do mean raised) six nieces and seven nephews from the time I was 12 to about five years ago.
    Were you one of those incapable twits who caved every time a child pestered or nagged you for something? Did your nieces and nephews become obese under your care?
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A baby sitter still comes across some of the same problems the parent does. Child throwing a tantrum, child pestering an adult for something after being told no and children doing all kinds of other things.
    A babysitter doesnt have to do anything except keep the little snot alive until mommy and daddy come to pick them up. It takes almost no skill and can be done by a trained monkey.

    To basically prove that it is easy for a parent to tell a child no.
    I'm confused how you plan to work that extrapolation from my own parents.

    Were you one of those incapable twits who caved every time a child pestered or nagged you for something? Did your nieces and nephews become obese under your care?
    No, my nieces and nephews stayed very healthy while I took care of them. We went for fast food maybe once or twice a month.

    Parents feel obligated to give in to nagging because of a couple of reasons. One, the kid is not old enough to understand that asking repeatedly is more likely to piss someone off than get what you want and the parent is already willing to acquiesce to the request anyways. Two, the parent doesnt see a good reason for saying no. Three, the kid finally bugs the parent into saying yes. We all have finite patience and kids can wear on that patience like nothing else. Everyone (and I do mean EVERYONE) has given in to something or agreed to something because the person trying to convince them has just bugged the **** out of them to get them to agree, it works the same way with kids.

    And because I'm losing faith in the ability of certain individuals here to understand that because I dont implicitly state something, I dont believe in it, yes some parents do give in because they find it difficult to say no to their kids. Parenting is a goddamn hard job that (contrary to popular belief) not everyone is good at and they dont always make the best or even good choices. Lumping all parents who agree when a child nags into this last category is incredibly stupid.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ok.

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    Personal Responsibility is PARAMOUNT!

    You don't want your kids to eat Mcdonalds, then don't let them eat it. Come up with a convincing argument why the Advertisements are wrong.

    HOWEVER

    One simply cannot ignore the power of advertising, it's becoming a science, they spend millions of dollars, get kids in for focus sessions to find the most effective ways of getting to kids. It's maticulous and almost sinister in a way.

    HOWEVER ONCE AGAIN

    Does not mean that personal responsibility does not take precedent.
    No no no... the parent's aren't responsible. It's all the big bad companies fault. The parents are forced to feed their kids bad food if the big bad companies give out toys.

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do little kids have jobs so they can have money to buy happymeals? Do they have their own transportation so they can go to McDonalds whenever they want? Is it the children's job to make choices in what they eat? The answer to all these question is no. So it is irrelevant what McDonalds advertises to them because it is the parent's choice to say no. Advertising doesn't mean squat except trying to put their name out there to consumers. Are you so weak willed as a parent and a pushover with the word bitch written across your forehead that you let tell your kids make all the decisions that you are supposed to so you want the government telling you what you can eat and whether or not certian places can give out crappy toys to those who buy their childrens meals?
    Advertising directly to the kids DOES impact the parent's buying habits. If it didn't, McDonald's wouldn't include the toys in the first place because they'd be a waste of money. Imagine if cigarette companies started giving away little toys with every pack of cigarettes they sold. There would be an uproar, and rightly so. Sure, parents could CHOOSE to not buy them for their kids...but obviously some would. More than would otherwise, if the toy was not included.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Advertising directly to the kids DOES impact the parent's buying habits. If it didn't, McDonald's wouldn't include the toys in the first place because they'd be a waste of money. Imagine if cigarette companies started giving away little toys with every pack of cigarettes they sold. There would be an uproar, and rightly so. Sure, parents could CHOOSE to not buy them for their kids...but obviously some would. More than would otherwise, if the toy was not included.
    All the toy does is give incentive to go to McDonalds vs other fast food joints. If mom has dinner on the stove, she's not going to stop at McDonalds because baby Billy starts whining about it.

    The toy helps them decide where they are going to eat out, not IF. The decision to eat out has most often already been made.

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Does anyone remember anorexia and bulimia?

    Do you remember all the movies and stuff that came out centered around stories of famous people who had it and such - I swear - just 20 years ago our country seemed hell bent on beefing everyone up a little.

    I imagined that in the future everyone would be a toothpick and that we'd be complaining that everyone was too skinny - and how pathetic that in the richest place on earth everyone was just wasting away for no reason.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Would you rather McDonalds do the conditioning?
    I would rather American citizens make their own decisions. Has to do with that, "liberty", thing we've heard so much about for 234 years. Call me crazy!
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Advertising directly to the kids DOES impact the parent's buying habits. If it didn't, McDonald's wouldn't include the toys in the first place because they'd be a waste of money. Imagine if cigarette companies started giving away little toys with every pack of cigarettes they sold. There would be an uproar, and rightly so. Sure, parents could CHOOSE to not buy them for their kids...but obviously some would. More than would otherwise, if the toy was not included.
    Do you have kids?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ok.

    Jets 2 cents coming in.

    Personal Responsibility is PARAMOUNT!

    You don't want your kids to eat Mcdonalds, then don't let them eat it. Come up with a convincing argument why the Advertisements are wrong.

    HOWEVER

    One simply cannot ignore the power of advertising, it's becoming a science, they spend millions of dollars, get kids in for focus sessions to find the most effective ways of getting to kids. It's maticulous and almost sinister in a way.

    HOWEVER ONCE AGAIN

    Does not mean that personal responsibility does not take precedent.
    Do what I do and tell them, "no!", and when Dad says no, it means no, or somebody is getting an ass whipping when we get home.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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