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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It is the government's fault for putting out an unhealthy diet that parents, schools, and food manufacturers cook to. It's the food manufacturer's fault for using HFCS in every prepackaged food since it's cheaper then cane and beet sugar. The lobbies for the corn industry put into place the import limits on cane and beet sugar plus the high tariffs for importation. Are the parent's responsible for that?
    The government's fault? If this article said all school districts around the country will discontinue unhealthy foods in lieu of a new federal law, I'm most certain that would be an overreach of it's boundaries. Did you really just blame the government for making double quarter pounders and children's meals with no more nutritional value than fat and carbohydrates.

    And like I said, you folks are so off topic. As I pointed out, its an ordinance. Much like no alcohol purchases after 9. Like I'm not allowed to park on the same street my taxes paid for after 11 pm. Like no "non-outdoor treated" furniture on one's porch. Like no strip clubs. Like no porn shops. Like no liquor period. Some folks get so excited when they thing they see another excuse to say the government's too big!

    The federal government forbids any use of marijuana. Many keep bringing up its legalization for tax revenue. If I, as an adult, am disallowed to make a personal choice on the federal level. Why can we not limit one's choices on the local level (like we always do - think in the context of ordinances).... In regards to a happy meal, my kids can still have one, even in the small local government of SF. They are not making them illegal. Simply making them unappealing to children in a small area by request of it's citizens with aim to protect their children from their impressionable minds being influenced by a "process for profit" food establishment. Did I just compare weed to a happy meal? After comparing the long term health effects of both, I'd have been silly not too.
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    and so it goes...

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    The government's fault? If this article said all school districts around the country will discontinue unhealthy foods in lieu of a new federal law, I'm most certain that would be an overreach of it's boundaries. Did you really just blame the government for making double quarter pounders and children's meals with no more nutritional value than fat and carbohydrates.

    And like I said, you folks are so off topic. As I pointed out, its an ordinance. Much like no alcohol purchases after 9. Like I'm not allowed to park on the same street my taxes paid for after 11 pm. Like no "non-outdoor treated" furniture on one's porch. Like no strip clubs. Like no porn shops. Like no liquor period. Some folks get so excited when they thing they see another excuse to say the government's too big!

    The federal government forbids any use of marijuana. Many keep bringing up its legalization for tax revenue. If I, as an adult, am disallowed to make a personal choice on the federal level. Why can we not limit one's choices on the local level (like we always do - think in the context of ordinances).... In regards to a happy meal, my kids can still have one, even in the small local government of SF. They are not making them illegal. Simply making them unappealing to children in a small area by request of it's citizens with aim to protect their children from their impressionable minds being influenced by a "process for profit" food establishment. Did I just compare weed to a happy meal? After comparing the long term health effects of both, I'd have been silly not too.
    Who made the farm subsidies for farmers to produce corn no matter the market conditions? Who put on the high tariffs and import limits on sugar? Who created the nutritional guidelines? In all cases it is the federal government.

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Who made the farm subsidies for farmers to produce corn no matter the market conditions? Who put on the high tariffs and import limits on sugar? Who created the nutritional guidelines? In all cases it is the federal government.
    So your saying San Fransisco is the Federal Government? That ordinances set federal precedent. I guess I'm missing it entirely. I must need a nap.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    So your saying San Fransisco is the Federal Government? That ordinances set federal precedent. I guess I'm missing it entirely. I must need a nap.
    Oh - and the government did all that because of the adherent influence of corporate lobbying done by establishments exactly like McDonalds.

    They are allowed to have influence and SF is not?
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So now its I do not have enough experience?
    Yeah, it is.

    I am sure that you will avoid answering this question that I have already asked more than once but I will ask again. Are you saying your parents caved into your demands when ever you pestered or nagged them for something after they told you no?
    I dont see what it has to do with anything, but no they didnt cave to every demand I made.

    I think you are you are just trying to excuse lousy parenting. Lousy parents do not know how to tell their kids no and do not punish their children when they keep pestering or nagging. If you punish kids for pestering and nagging after being told no they will stop pestering and nagging. Its how you get a child to stop doing any undesirable behavior. You have to be an authoritarian when it comes to kids.
    You only have to be authoritarian if you cant get results any other way. In my opinion, an authoritarian parent is one who has failed in any other method and has to resort to dictatorial methods to get what they want done. Sometimes the iron fist needs to be brought down, but if you try to run your kids with it, they'll end up hating you.

    The difference between your Spielburg rant is that unlike someone who not seen all of Spielberg's movies and making a criticism is that anybody has grown up around a parental figure all their life knows how their parental figure has punished them when they did something wrong. So these analogies you keep bringing up are pointless and unrelated. If your parents were great parents then you just have to do what they did when they raised you.
    I know what they did WRONG and I can learn from that as well.

    My parents went the authoritarian route. That created extreme tension in the household as I did things out of fear of being screamed at, not out of respect for them. Needless to say, we have an extremely poor relationship to this day because of their attitudes in that respect. One thing parents (and people in general) seem to forget is that respect is earned, not given.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Come to think of it, what about the McDonald's playplaces? Or any other fast food joint that has playplaces? Are they going to be disallowed too?

    God, this kind of bull**** infuriates me
    What about the non fast food places that do not just cater to everybody else? Hooters encourage men to eat unhealthy food. Ballparks encourage people to stuff down hotdogs,pizza, hamburgers and other unhealthy foods and lots of beer, Even strip clubs aimed at women probably encourage women to drink lots of alcohol.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    The government's fault? If this article said all school districts around the country will discontinue unhealthy foods in lieu of a new federal law, I'm most certain that would be an overreach of it's boundaries. Did you really just blame the government for making double quarter pounders and children's meals with no more nutritional value than fat and carbohydrates.

    And like I said, you folks are so off topic. As I pointed out, its an ordinance. Much like no alcohol purchases after 9. Like I'm not allowed to park on the same street my taxes paid for after 11 pm. Like no "non-outdoor treated" furniture on one's porch. Like no strip clubs. Like no porn shops. Like no liquor period. Some folks get so excited when they thing they see another excuse to say the government's too big!

    The federal government forbids any use of marijuana. Many keep bringing up its legalization for tax revenue. If I, as an adult, am disallowed to make a personal choice on the federal level. Why can we not limit one's choices on the local level (like we always do - think in the context of ordinances).... In regards to a happy meal, my kids can still have one, even in the small local government of SF. They are not making them illegal. Simply making them unappealing to children in a small area by request of it's citizens with aim to protect their children from their impressionable minds being influenced by a "process for profit" food establishment. Did I just compare weed to a happy meal? After comparing the long term health effects of both, I'd have been silly not too.
    Dear god, this is asinine. Why allow a trickle, if it has the potential to turn into a flood. Apathy is what will bring about the end of our freedom, not jack boots marching down our streets.

    Btw, weed is well on its way to being legal in CA. Weed is in, toys are out. Just business as usual.
    "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it." - Judge Learned Hand

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Yeah, it is.
    I would hardly call 8 hours a day watching kids very little experience.

    I dont see what it has to do with anything, but no they didnt cave to every demand I made.
    What did they do if you kept pestering them for something after they said no?
    Give you a spanking? Tell you to shut the **** up, slap you, send you to the corner, ground your or some other punishment?

    You only have to be authoritarian if you cant get results any other way. In my opinion, an authoritarian parent is one who has failed in any other method and has to resort to dictatorial methods to get what they want done. Sometimes the iron fist needs to be brought down, but if you try to run your kids with it, they'll end up hating you.

    Are you a parent? have you dealt with more than one child? What are your experience with kids? See we can play this do you have and kids and what kind of experience do you have game too.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would hardly call 8 hours a day watching kids very little experience.
    Pobre, making sure kids dont stab themselves with pencils is not the same thing as parenting. You are babysitting and babysitting is not the same thing as parenting. I did the same job with kindergarteners.

    What did they do if you kept pestering them for something after they said no?
    Give you a spanking? Tell you to shut the **** up, slap you, send you to the corner, ground your or some other punishment?
    Im curious why this matters.

    Are you a parent?
    Biologically, no.

    have you dealt with more than one child?
    Yes

    What are your experience with kids?
    I raised (and I do mean raised) six nieces and seven nephews from the time I was 12 to about five years ago. I also worked as a counselor for kids at a daycare center, working mainly with very young children. I currently work for an assisted living facility that houses people with autism, most of them have a mental operating age somewhere between five and 13.

    See we can play this do you have and kids and what kind of experience do you have game too.
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    Re: Happy Meal Toys Endangered Species In San Francisco

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Dear god, this is asinine. Why allow a trickle, if it has the potential to turn into a flood. Apathy is what will bring about the end of our freedom, not jack boots marching down our streets.

    Btw, weed is well on its way to being legal in CA. Weed is in, toys are out. Just business as usual.
    This is what many people fail to understand.Unless there is some huge major event they will always use baby steps. Doing everything at once is usually a bad idea you have to do it pieces.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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