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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    because people aren't retiring. and insurance company premiums won't go down, no matter what. remember the hoopla about malpractice insurance and how the price should go down with tort reform? guess what........states who enacted tort reform say no decreases in malpractice premiums. wonder why?
    Not all of them are but enough to at least have an effect of dropping the price by a couple of tenths of a percent.

    I don't agree with tort reform personally.
    I'd prefer judges act more discriminating, when dealing with possible frivolous law suits.
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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    More victims of Obama Care. I can only hope it motivates them to kick the Democrats to the curb in another month.
    Companies have been doing this for a long, long time.

    Long before anyone even heard of Obama.

    For example, here are a couple of FAQ from Honeywell


    5.When I or my dependent become Medicare eligible or turn age 65, what changes?

    You must enroll in Medicare Parts A and B, as this will become your primary coverage. Further information will be mailed to you approximately three months before your 65th birthday.


    8.If I or my dependent do not sign up for Medicare Part B, does the insurance company cover those types of expenses?

    Honeywell has designed its retiree medical benefits to work together with Medicare to provide you the coverage you need.

    General FAQs - Honeywell Retiree
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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    People should not be getting their insurance through their companies anyway. They're just hurting themselves by doing so.
    How? I have great insurance through my company and would hate to give it up.

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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How? I have great insurance through my company and would hate to give it up.
    Because it tethers you to your job. You'll be more willing to accept ****ty work conditions, ****ty bosses, ****ty treatment in order to keep said insurance. Whereas if you had insurance separate from the job, then it doesn't tether you to it.

    And then, if you lose your job, you get a double whammy by losing your insurance too. The two should not be tied together like that.
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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not all of them are but enough to at least have an effect of dropping the price by a couple of tenths of a percent.

    I don't agree with tort reform personally.
    I'd prefer judges act more discriminating, when dealing with possible frivolous law suits.
    enough of them should have been retiring 2 years ago as well.....did you see a drop in premiums?

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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    This can't be true. Don't you remember hearing many many times, "if you like your health care, you can keep it"?
    I kept hearing that, but I guess they left off the price increase part. I do remember Obama saying it would reduce cost for all of us. That worked out about as good as Obama saying the stimulus would create 90% of the jobs in the private sector.
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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Because it tethers you to your job. You'll be more willing to accept ****ty work conditions, ****ty bosses, ****ty treatment in order to keep said insurance. Whereas if you had insurance separate from the job, then it doesn't tether you to it.

    And then, if you lose your job, you get a double whammy by losing your insurance too. The two should not be tied together like that.
    I guess if you look at your job as a passing and temporary assignment. I tend to think of my jobs as career positions and only like to change them when an opportunity presents itself as a worthwhile step up (or a relocation). Having my insurance paid by the company is only a bonus to me and it doesn't tether me to anything I wouldn't otherwise wish for anyway.

    I've also never left a job and not had another with similar or better benefits ready for me when I went.

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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Because it tethers you to your job. You'll be more willing to accept ****ty work conditions, ****ty bosses, ****ty treatment in order to keep said insurance. Whereas if you had insurance separate from the job, then it doesn't tether you to it.

    And then, if you lose your job, you get a double whammy by losing your insurance too. The two should not be tied together like that.
    I've been working many years, had at least 5 jobs in my chosen profession and having insurance with the various companies has posed no problems. However, I think the dynamic is changing as government gets more involved in healthcare. Companies are definitely going to play their employees off on the government plans when it suits them and insurance companies are going to deny more services. We should have left things alone.

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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really? then why have most premiums increased every year prior to this one? just because? why in the world do you trust that insurance companies are truthful?
    Obama swore that insurance permiums would go down, because of Obamacare. But, they're going up. Just because?
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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    economically and socially, yes, everyone who has any sense of physics saw this coming

    and 3m is not alone

    there's a whole lot more wrong with obamacare than just this BLATANT failure to keep its fundamental promise---you can keep what you like

    the doc shortage arising inevitably from a massive expansion of coverage is very real

    Texas doctors fleeing Medicare in droves | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

    the savings obama also promised and also failed to deliver on, he explained with the persistence of an ahab chasing a great white whale, would come in reduced traffic thru those inefficiently expensive er's

    it turns out that resort to er's actually increases when medicaid and medicare are so massively expanded, underfunded and overstrained precisely because of this maddening inability to find a doc who will simply make an appt

    Emergency room visits grow in Mass. - The Boston Globe

    states, meanwhile, so many of em approaching the greek model of complete fiduciary collapse, are somehow to absorb in the midst of their bankruptcies some 12 million more medicaid members, the ghetto of health care, with no federal funding

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    yes, economically and socially this obamacare is a catastrophe

    politcally, however, heading into this cruel campaign crunch, the outlook could be even critical

    POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal - TheHill.com

    in the most battleground districts in the nation---AZ1 ann kirkpatrick, IL18 debbie halvorson, NM3 harry teague (49% of DEMS favor REPEAL in teague's troubled, temporary territory), MD3 frank kratovil, OH15 mary joe kilroy, VA5 tom perriello, CO4 betsy markey, MI7 mark schauer, PN3 kathy dahlkemper, VA2 glenn nye, NV3 dina titus---UNDECIDEDS in these crucial districts favor REPEAL by 49% to 27

    will you stop arguing with each other long enough to look?

    or do you prefer simply to party on?
    Last edited by The Prof; 10-06-10 at 09:37 PM.

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