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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You appear to completely discount the possibility.
    not at all....i did, however, expect businesses to use the new bill as a reason to cut benefits. that's what they do. benefits have been being cut for quite some time now, this is nothing new. why were my benefits cut 2 years ago?

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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Listen, even as a Democrat, I to think that a smaller government would ultimately be best, however regardless of what party takes office, neither will actually shrink the federal government. Why? Once institutions grow so big they are near impossible to dismantle. Look at the attempts by Donald Rumsfield to dismantle some of the military bases that really are no longer functional or even needed. He was nearly ripped apart by congressmen from both parties because doing such rollbacks cost people jobs, jobs lost of constituents normally equals votes lost, thus we will never really be able to see whole-sale dismantling of the federal machine.
    Yes, because a military base (delegated power) is the same as health insurance (not delegated).

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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    People should not be getting their insurance through their companies anyway. They're just hurting themselves by doing so.
    Correct.....If your insurance is independent of your employment, you are far better off when you get tired of the BS on the job. You aren't dependent on your employer in any way.
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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We have history, even recent history, and we can see nothing new is happening that wasn't happening before.
    Again, you completely discount the possibility.

    We also have companies like mine who have not increased the portion of health insurance premiums it's employees pay in a few years, now passing on an increase. Of course, the fact it coincides with the enactment of Obamacare means nothing, right? No possible connection there. None. Nada. ZIP.

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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Yes, because we all know that people knowingly get sick and suffer critical injuries. They wake up today and say I'm going to impale myself on this pole for the hell of it. The only reason why you have to buy insurance is the single condition that you are alive. Dead people are exempt from having to pay for it.
    No, again, because a person doesn't know and doesn't knowingly do these things, this is the reason for having to buy health insurance. If they knew and did so willingly, there would be no reason to make it mandatory. I'm sorry, but your reasoning is inaccurate on this.

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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Again, you completely discount the possibility.

    We also have companies like mine who have not increased the portion of health insurance premiums it's employees pay in a few years, now passing on an increase. Of course, the fact it coincides with the enactment of Obamacare means nothing, right? No possible connection there. None. Nada. ZIP.
    when will your company be affected?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    The problem with the AMA is that they removed holistic and other forms of treatment that are perfectly valid in their push to make science based medicine the only provider of medical care. They used the government to reach their goals.

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    I do not see a delegation of power from the states to the federal government for public safety and health. Just like I do not see a delegation of power for the federal government to intervene into the market. I also do not see the authority for the government to make you purchase a service just for being alive.
    How many people use "holistic" doctors? I won't even let a chiropractor near me, much less someone who thinks that diet or a supplement regimen can cure cancers. People have had their necks broken in chiropractor's offices....but that isn't the only reason. I can remember ads back in the 60's where these quacks claimed to be able to cure all kinds of diseases by just aligning your spine. Sorry, if you already have cancer, a back massage won't cut it.
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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    How many people use "holistic" doctors? I won't even let a chiropractor near me, much less someone who thinks that diet or a supplement regimen can cure cancers. People have had their necks broken in chiropractor's offices....but that isn't the only reason. I can remember ads back in the 60's where these quacks claimed to be able to cure all kinds of diseases by just aligning your spine. Sorry, if you already have cancer, a back massage won't cut it.
    chiropractors can be great. you just have to find one who realizes his specialty doesn't replace all medicine.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Again, you completely discount the possibility.

    We also have companies like mine who have not increased the portion of health insurance premiums it's employees pay in a few years, now passing on an increase. Of course, the fact it coincides with the enactment of Obamacare means nothing, right? No possible connection there. None. Nada. ZIP.
    Long before the bill was brought up in committee, some businesses were raising premiums. The new healthcare bill is just an added excuse for businesses to pass on more of the costs to the employees.
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    Re: 3M Co. will drop retirees from health plans, steer to Medicare

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian
    Again, you completely discount the possibility.

    We also have companies like mine who have not increased the portion of health insurance premiums it's employees pay in a few years, now passing on an increase. Of course, the fact it coincides with the enactment of Obamacare means nothing, right? No possible connection there. None. Nada. ZIP.
    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    when will your company be affected?
    I got the letter about the increase about 2 weeks ago. The costs increase in Jan. We've not had an increase in our contribution in 3 years.

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