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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    "Abolishing the death penalty will cause innocent people to die-- just different innocent people than the ones the death penalty claims."

    Who the hell dies if a person in is in a cement casket while breathing instead of a wooden one while not?

    What the hell's even the point of the death penalty. If you need a deturrent to prevent you from murder, like death instead of life in prison, your probably not gonna give a ****. Please enter logic at any time.
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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Who the hell dies if a person in is in a cement casket while breathing instead of a wooden one while not?
    Other prisoners. Possibly other people, after the prisoner has served their sentence, or escaped, or otherwise been released.

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    What the hell's even the point of the death penalty.
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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    Regardless of whether anyone supports the death penalty or not, this case needs to be investigated. Much like the Texas dog expert, the victim was convicted by a jury on 'expert' testimony by a fire expert that testified that the fire was started intentionally. The junk science that the expert used to solve the crime has since been proven to be a false method.

    Just another Texas hang-em-high prosecution witness.

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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    Come against why couldn't they prove his innocence before his execution?

    That's what everyone harps on when they oppose it (or, one thing they harp on) that it takes *years* and they have to prove and prove again that they're guilty - and it takes lots of money, lots of court tango.

    So why didn't they have time or evidence before his execution to prove his innocence during all this court tango and time?

    If they're *just now* coming up with evidence after all this time to prove that he's *innocent* I say they're horrible at their jobs (yes - like his lawyer) and everyone should be investigated for an immense lack of give-a-****.
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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Come against why couldn't they prove his innocence before his execution?

    That's what everyone harps on when they oppose it (or, one thing they harp on) that it takes *years* and they have to prove and prove again that they're guilty - and it takes lots of money, lots of court tango.

    So why didn't they have time or evidence before his execution to prove his innocence during all this court tango and time?

    If they're *just now* coming up with evidence after all this time to prove that he's *innocent* I say they're horrible at their jobs (yes - like his lawyer) and everyone should be investigated for an immense lack of give-a-****.
    I watched a special on TV where they said that after exonerating an inmate with solid DNA evidence, it still took almost three years to get them out of prison. The reason? The prosecutors don't like to admit mistakes.

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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I watched a special on TV where they said that after exonerating an inmate with solid DNA evidence, it still took almost three years to get them out of prison. The reason? The prosecutors don't like to admit mistakes.
    And this is why I currently don't support it.

    Generally I *do* support the death penalty - yes - but not when mistakes and mishaps and *oops, you're not the guy we're looking for* is a SERIOUS problem.
    Every year HUNDREDS are released from death row (either a reduction in their sentence, punishment - or found to be innocent). I researched to support my 'pro-death-penalty' view and came across this information. A few hundred is WAY to many. When I found that info I held the belief that *maybe* there was 5 or 10 each year - odd and unusual circumstances. But nope, it's very common - immediately made me change my mind.

    So I won't support it until they fix the system - and if they never fix the system then I guess I'll never support it.

    I'm sure this guy's not the *first* innocent person to have been put to death - definitely not the first.
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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Come against why couldn't they prove his innocence before his execution?
    Lol. Because that's not how the system works. In fact, any American who says a statement like that needs to do thier homework before they have any opinion.

    The aforementioned argument was in regards to the "proof of guilt" not being proof. It's hard to prove yourself innocent if your assumed innocent because of a lie....

    I can't believe as a collective USA, some jury members think the defendant must prove his/her innocence before they are murdered by the "expansive, overreaching, federal government."
    Last edited by JakeFromWI; 10-06-10 at 02:32 PM.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Other prisoners. Possibly other people, after the prisoner has served their sentence, or escaped, or otherwise been released.



    Some people are too dangerous to exist. The death penalty removes them.
    Life imprisonment in supermax is both cheaper and reversible if it turns out the conviction was wrong. This moral relativism thing you're playing is just absurd. People will die anyway, therefore we shouldn't bother trying to prevent it? Easy to say, except when you're the man who lost his children in a horrible accident and then proceeds to get executed for it.
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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Hell of a lot more innocent people die in war. People are always going to die, and there's nothing we can do about it. You can't make an omelette without cracking eggs, and you can't make a society without cracking skulls.
    So, becuase people die in another context, it's ok if they die in this context? I don't buy that. Yes, we will alwyas make mistakes. But the higher the [price paid, the less we will be able to make amends. Taking a life means that we took something we can't remotely give back or compensate for. When we execute a person wrongly, we make a greivous error that can't really be made right. Not even remotely.

    And I'm not sure we save any lives by the state killing people, certainly not enough to justify killing innocent people.

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    Re: Texas judge to examine if executed man was innocent

    You know one thing though.

    If you gave me the option of death now, or 20 years in prison. I'd choose the death now.

    A guy who looks like me I think would be a reciever if you get my drift.

    However, give me the choice between 20 years in prison and then death, or life in prison with the possibility of being released, and I'd choose the latter.

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