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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Like us, they wouldn't get involved in major engagements, but they could engage in minor political wars, just like we've been doing the last nine years.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    Anyone with an I.Q. over 150 can see the distinct pattern on what is to come....China clearly is at great odds with the U.S. and trading has no meaning in this world once war starts.

    China (with Russia, etc) is clearly on a path to stop the U.S. influence on all of mankind.

    A Russian General even said there needs to be a global war to stop the U.S. influence on all of mankind.

    China is the new sleeping giant that the U.S. is awakening....
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    It is my sincere hope that someday the PRC will become a democracy, but while the Communist Party in China remains in power, I think that Mao's old axiom that power flows from the barrel of a gun will continue to hold true. As long as the party leaders and the military are in agreement and control, the people have no chance of becoming free, and the US must prepare for war in that theatre.




    The worry is the Chinese Communist Party trying to stay in power, and using everything in it's arsenal to do so. They may try to trade for their natural resources, but as these resources get more scarce, coupled with huge demand at home, invading another country to secure these resources may seem like a viable option in order to keep a hungry populace satisfied. As a historian, you are aware of wars in the past fought for scarce resources. Just about every war has been fought over commodities, and the desire to secure them. The Chinese have a huge population, which is getting larger, and the male/female ratio is skewed due to the one child policy and most families desiring male children. When these men cannot find jobs or wives, they will become frustrated, and the government will have to do something with them. Women are commodities in most parts of the world outside of the West, as is land and foodstuffs. Promising the young male his hearts desire in return for military service is an age old recruiting tactic, which may seem quaint and outdated to our society, but not so much to a less sophisticated audience....Remember Adolf Hitler prating about "Lebensraum" to his people prior to WW II.

    I'm not saying that these will come to fruition in the next 5-10 years, but they will eventually, as they learn Western manufacturing techniques and technologies. In the mean time, they are doing everything in their power to neutralize the only power in the area that has even a ghost of a chance of stopping whatever their ultimate aims are, namely the US. Making alliances with our enemies, getting a presence in our backyard with the means to interdict our movement, possibly infiltrating a fifth column inside the country through legal and illegal immigration. These are all possibilities. This scenario doesn't seem implausible to me
    By god you mean they might like invade Iraq to gain access to Iraqi and control mid east oil, the devils
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    By god you mean they might like invade Iraq to gain access to Iraqi and control mid east oil, the devils
    We go to war, it'll be over resources.

    The last world war in the pacific was also fought, lost and won over resources. Japan's inability to control and effectively use the strategic resources is one of the major reasons it eventually lost the war (besides ignoring and then loosing Yamamoto).

    That said....China isn't going: We're going to launch nukes at the United States, it's saying "If the US arms their missiles and points them at us, we'll point and fire- hopefully faster"....

    Is the person who kicks the **** out of someone threatening him with a gun the aggressor? No, we understand he just reacted to the stimuli. Saying "If you're going to point that gun at me I'm going to shoot you" is hardly a threat, it's a statement of fact.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    It is my sincere hope that someday the PRC will become a democracy, but while the Communist Party in China remains in power, I think that Mao's old axiom that power flows from the barrel of a gun will continue to hold true. As long as the party leaders and the military are in agreement and control, the people have no chance of becoming free, and the US must prepare for war in that theatre.
    I never said that China's government was a democracy. You can be authoritarian and non-communist. It doesn't matter what ideology they follow, the PRC Communist Party has everything to lose from war with the US and nothing to gain that they couldn't get far more easily.


    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The worry is the Chinese Communist Party trying to stay in power, and using everything in it's arsenal to do so. They may try to trade for their natural resources, but as these resources get more scarce, coupled with huge demand at home, invading another country to secure these resources may seem like a viable option in order to keep a hungry populace satisfied. As a historian, you are aware of wars in the past fought for scarce resources. Just about every war has been fought over commodities, and the desire to secure them. The Chinese have a huge population, which is getting larger, and the male/female ratio is skewed due to the one child policy and most families desiring male children. When these men cannot find jobs or wives, they will become frustrated, and the government will have to do something with them. Women are commodities in most parts of the world outside of the West, as is land and foodstuffs. Promising the young male his hearts desire in return for military service is an age old recruiting tactic, which may seem quaint and outdated to our society, but not so much to a less sophisticated audience....Remember Adolf Hitler prating about "Lebensraum" to his people prior to WW II.
    I can see that you've been frozen for the past couple decades. Welcome to globalization, buddy. China can get most of what it needs through trade.

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I'm not saying that these will come to fruition in the next 5-10 years, but they will eventually, as they learn Western manufacturing techniques and technologies. In the mean time, they are doing everything in their power to neutralize the only power in the area that has even a ghost of a chance of stopping whatever their ultimate aims are, namely the US. Making alliances with our enemies, getting a presence in our backyard with the means to interdict our movement, possibly infiltrating a fifth column inside the country through legal and illegal immigration.
    These are all possibilities. This scenario doesn't seem implausible to me
    You have 0 evidence to back any of this up. Only, extremely flimsy what-ifs. If you took a simple look at current economic, geopolitical, and social trends instead of Cold War propaganda, you'd see how silly this theory is. The many reasons why China wouldn't want to go to war with us has been stated many, many times.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

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    You have 0 evidence to back any of this up. Only, extremely flimsy what-ifs. If you took a simple look at current economic, geopolitical, and social trends instead of Cold War propaganda, you'd see how silly this theory is. The many reasons why China wouldn't want to go to war with us has been stated many, many times.
    Mister Drunken - History is interesting in many ways. You can track parallels and it gives you warning, that the next parallel has a likelihood of occurring, but it isn't a guarantee. Sometimes people actually do pay attention and they decide they don't want to do that again. Again, check history. It truly is a crystal ball of sorts....

    Great civilizations rise and fall like clockwork, about every 400 years. Rome, China, Japan, the traditional European powers. You can set your calendar by it. Whites have been in America since the 16th century. We're due.

    The US had a great run, but America today is what Britain was at the beginning of the 20th century. We're in the process of a painful backward slide into international irrelevancy. Enjoy the Empire days while they last, I say. Because the 21st century will belong to China.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Mister Drunken - History is interesting in many ways. You can track parallels and it gives you warning, that the next parallel has a likelihood of occurring, but it isn't a guarantee. Sometimes people actually do pay attention and they decide they don't want to do that again. Again, check history. It truly is a crystal ball of sorts....

    Great civilizations rise and fall like clockwork, about every 400 years. Rome, China, Japan, the traditional European powers. You can set your calendar by it. Whites have been in America since the 16th century. We're due.

    The US had a great run, but America today is what Britain was at the beginning of the 20th century. We're in the process of a painful backward slide into international irrelevancy. Enjoy the Empire days while they last, I say. Because the 21st century will belong to China.
    Yes and nicely said...

    What is sad is the fact that when China gets on top it will likely last far more than the 400yrs...China will likely be the last superpower....basic math shows this.....

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Mister Drunken - History is interesting in many ways. You can track parallels and it gives you warning, that the next parallel has a likelihood of occurring, but it isn't a guarantee. Sometimes people actually do pay attention and they decide they don't want to do that again. Again, check history. It truly is a crystal ball of sorts....

    Great civilizations rise and fall like clockwork, about every 400 years. Rome, China, Japan, the traditional European powers. You can set your calendar by it. Whites have been in America since the 16th century. We're due.

    The US had a great run, but America today is what Britain was at the beginning of the 20th century. We're in the process of a painful backward slide into international irrelevancy. Enjoy the Empire days while they last, I say. Because the 21st century will belong to China.
    That's fantastic. What does that have to do with China going to war with us?
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    That's fantastic. What does that have to do with China going to war with us?
    Trying desperately to save face with nonsense since he got proven wrong by myself and dozens of others about his rediculous and fearful assertion that the evil chinese will sacrifice their entire country, make it uninhabitable just to stick it to the US

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Like I said ric, why would a bank who lent you money for your house try to light your house on fire? That's essentially what you say China is planning to do.
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