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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Welcome to 2010. Mao died 34 years ago. China is communist in name only today.
    Actually that's where there have been big changes in the last fifteen years. Pre-1989 their youth were very moderate and led the reform movement, like most western countries. After the massacre, the clampdown and the "re-education" of the youth, it's a whole other story. Look back at 2001 with the P-3 incident. The biggest protests were from students! They've effectively brainwashed the youth to fear imperialism and American pacific hegemony. It's not so much about Red Book-carrying communism

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

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    Anyone with an I.Q. over 150 can see the distinct pattern on what is to come....China clearly is at great odds with the U.S. and trading has no meaning in this world once war starts.

    China (with Russia, etc) is clearly on a path to stop the U.S. influence on all of mankind.

    A Russian General even said there needs to be a global war to stop the U.S. influence on all of mankind.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Well, he is overplaying it. That being said, this "conspiracy theory" is actually more along the lines of partisan hackery if anything else negative. It has a basis in reality, but it might overplay the hand. Most countries may enjoy a check on the United States with regard to foreign affairs, be they military, diplomatic, or economic. China probably just wants to be independent from the United States and enjoy economic progress with its large numbered (but small) middle class. It will probably build up a military presence, but I do not think, at least yet, that the United States itself is threatened. It might in the times to come threaten our interests, but probably not our homes and way of life. Of course, however, everyone's biggest fear is China wanting the United States to pay them back..but for the time being that would be suicide for the Chinese.
    You're thinking like a western capitalist. Yes, they may share some of our values and motivations, but it is a trap to think that because we wouldn't go to war (with our mode of thinking and motivations) in their situation, they won't either.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

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    You're thinking like a western capitalist. Yes, they may share some of our values and motivations, but it is a trap to think that because we wouldn't go to war (with our mode of thinking and motivations) in their situation, they won't either.
    Perhaps, but I'm also thinking about what the Chinese would like to do, at least as far as what our specialists are looking at. China has never really been much for truly expansive behavior, save a few instances (Taiwan, for example). They have mostly been interested in their own borders.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

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    France was invaded because it was a neighbor as were the other countries bordering German.
    Who know what the real reasons were. They may have been petty, or some kind of long held anger as far back as the League of Nations where Germany was castrated, or none of the above.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Perhaps, but I'm also thinking about what the Chinese would like to do, at least as far as what our specialists are looking at. China has never really been much for truly expansive behavior, save a few instances (Taiwan, for example). They have mostly been interested in their own borders.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You're thinking like a western capitalist. Yes, they may share some of our values and motivations, but it is a trap to think that because we wouldn't go to war (with our mode of thinking and motivations) in their situation, they won't either.
    Like us, they wouldn't get involved in major engagements, but they could engage in minor political wars, just like we've been doing the last nine years.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Actually that's where there have been big changes in the last fifteen years. Pre-1989 their youth were very moderate and led the reform movement, like most western countries. After the massacre, the clampdown and the "re-education" of the youth, it's a whole other story. Look back at 2001 with the P-3 incident. The biggest protests were from students! They've effectively brainwashed the youth to fear imperialism and American pacific hegemony. It's not so much about Red Book-carrying communism
    That has nothing to do with what I said. I never said that China wasn't authoritarian. I simply said that they are, by no conventional definition, communist. There are still many government owned enterprises and restrictions on trade, but they are far more capitalist than before 1976. Their economy is largely based on our success. Again, what do they have to gain by attacking us?
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You're thinking like a western capitalist. Yes, they may share some of our values and motivations, but it is a trap to think that because we wouldn't go to war (with our mode of thinking and motivations) in their situation, they won't either.
    So, basically you think the Chinese are war mongers who will start fights and take heavy losses just for ****s and giggles.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    That has nothing to do with what I said. I never said that China wasn't authoritarian. I simply said that they are, by no conventional definition, communist. There are still many government owned enterprises and restrictions on trade, but they are far more capitalist than before 1976. Their economy is largely based on our success.
    It is my sincere hope that someday the PRC will become a democracy, but while the Communist Party in China remains in power, I think that Mao's old axiom that power flows from the barrel of a gun will continue to hold true. As long as the party leaders and the military are in agreement and control, the people have no chance of becoming free, and the US must prepare for war in that theatre.


    Again, what do they have to gain by attacking us?
    The worry is the Chinese Communist Party trying to stay in power, and using everything in it's arsenal to do so. They may try to trade for their natural resources, but as these resources get more scarce, coupled with huge demand at home, invading another country to secure these resources may seem like a viable option in order to keep a hungry populace satisfied. As a historian, you are aware of wars in the past fought for scarce resources. Just about every war has been fought over commodities, and the desire to secure them. The Chinese have a huge population, which is getting larger, and the male/female ratio is skewed due to the one child policy and most families desiring male children. When these men cannot find jobs or wives, they will become frustrated, and the government will have to do something with them. Women are commodities in most parts of the world outside of the West, as is land and foodstuffs. Promising the young male his hearts desire in return for military service is an age old recruiting tactic, which may seem quaint and outdated to our society, but not so much to a less sophisticated audience....Remember Adolf Hitler prating about "Lebensraum" to his people prior to WW II.

    I'm not saying that these will come to fruition in the next 5-10 years, but they will eventually, as they learn Western manufacturing techniques and technologies. In the mean time, they are doing everything in their power to neutralize the only power in the area that has even a ghost of a chance of stopping whatever their ultimate aims are, namely the US. Making alliances with our enemies, getting a presence in our backyard with the means to interdict our movement, possibly infiltrating a fifth column inside the country through legal and illegal immigration. These are all possibilities. This scenario doesn't seem implausible to me

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