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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Also, Ric, why did you stop responding to this post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Really. Which ones?

    You need to remember that you aren't any sort of expert on this subject.

    So? How would entering into a full-scale conflict with the U.S. benefit the Chinese military?

    Yeah, I don't think you know what you're talking about here.

    Okay. I don't see a lot of Americans supporting us entering into war with the Chinese over Taiwan. So then, my response is...so what?

    Also, there is no such organization as the Sons of the American Confederacy. Do you mean SOCV? If so, you should be aware that the Sons of the Confederate Veterans aren't eager to go to war with the union again.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Also, Ric, why did you stop responding to this post?

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

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    So the State Dept. is wrong....got it.....whew.


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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Also, Ric, why did you stop responding to this post?
    The thread on O'Donnell was perky and firm, but your abrupt basement antics started to sag the thread. I'll respond and see if I can restore to an upright position this thread...

    Really. Which ones?
    Don't make the mistake of assuming that the chain of Commands in China, the military under the President. The mil actually out-ranks the President. The mil can give the president his marching orders.

    So? How would entering into a full-scale conflict with the U.S. benefit the Chinese military?
    Barring any regime change or liberal revolution in China, or any sort of resource revolution (like an affordable and abundant alternative energy source) that will benefit all nations involved, conflict is all but inevitable between the US and China. The only real questions are when, where, and under what other circumstances it will take place. If they make a move, it is because they feel they can survive it. Panama - they now own 80% of the controlling interests along the canal. They could effectively shut down the canal, which means the Atlantic fleets could not join the Pacific fleets as quickly. They have been eyeing the Spratleys...

    The Spratleys may be a launching point at a future date for a conflict in the area; I personally think that this is more likely than a mainland invasion of Taiwan. Taiwan is a tough target; with more naval force, the Spratleys are easy pickings. Taiwan would be a great political and moral victory from the Chinese perspective, but the Spratleys and their oil will at some point appear to the Chinese to be too vital not to incorporate. Only problem for them is that they're not the only great regional power who wants 'em and I've heard that their sub warfare tactics involve defending them. And they just recently purchased their first nuclear-powered subs from Russia (within the last 2 years I think) which doesn't put them on par with us, but definitely improves their odds in a conflict.

    Conflict between the US and China is inevitable on the present course, but so is conflict between India and China as well. They already have unresolved border disputes, and with this added pressure it is only a matter of time. In 1999 India announced that it would be increasing its presence in the South China Sea. Their leaders have apparently determined that they are in the same boat as China - that their energy consumption will eventially outstrip their ability to obtain supplies, so they need to increase the supply at some point. They have been beefing up their navy as China has as a result.

    Given their rates of consumption (both China and India), India in the South China Sea will become their first major conflict point, before the beef between us and the Chinese comes to a head.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    China doesn't have to win in the traditional sense.

    All they need to do is drive us back about 40-50 years in resource needs.

    And they don';t have to fire a BULLET to do that.

    Understand that the chinese have been working for YEARS to be able to wage a true asymetrical war against the US. If all you are thinking about is the bullets and bombs and nukes and stuff, you won't win the battle against China.

    If you are thinkng in terms of a multi-continent, multi-layered, virtual battle-space that includes cyber attacks against logistics, comms, power and Life Support Infrastructure (LSI), then you might be thinking in the right terms.
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    Oh no. We've lost civilian electricity in many cities. Guess what? Our nukes still work, assholes!

    edit: And what the hell does China stand to gain from this bizarre conspiracy? We'll never pay back those loans if they attack us, and they don't have the ability to invade us so it's not like they can capture resources. You've said why there will be conflict, but what does China stand to gain from escalation to a war? Also, that Panama thing is hilarious. You think Panama is going to refuse passage to a carrier battle group?

    Panama is going to interfere with critical US military operations and aid America's enemies openly? Wow.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    If China were to take over the USA what would the ramifications be on the Chinese mail order bride industry?

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If China were to take over the USA what would the ramifications be on the Chinese mail order bride industry?
    Hmm. Just to be safe, I'd better sell my stock in human trafficking legitimate companionship companies.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    If you are just coming to a point when you ask what China's long term goald are you have no idea of what Chins as been going from the very day that President Nixon opened China to trade, you have not been paying attention.

    In general all Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Maoist to survive must expand in natural, agricultural, manufacturing, and human resources of face implosion because the System drains all of these resources domestically, along with all the incentives of those who once were the RICH who were over Taxed in order to fulfill the whole manta: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

    It comes to a point when the system collapses and there are no more rich or pecieved rich to take from to give to those who take but contribute little.

    End of story, O'Donnell got it right. There is no greater prize on earth than th U.S.A. that is what the Soviet Union had in mind before it's collapse.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    no, I think Dan would rather have fiscal conservatives running the show.

    Not bat **** crazy social Conservatives who believe masterbation is a sin against god, china is pllotting to take over the US, and that condoms spread AIDS in Africa...
    At this point in history I could care less if she's a wiccan ogre princesss that believes I should be struck by lightning for wackin off as long as she is willing to help get spending under control and roll back some of the social programs that have been enacted.

    Priorities here....
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