I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK
Don't make the mistake of assuming that the chain of Commands in China, the military under the President. The mil actually out-ranks the President. The mil can give the president his marching orders.Really. Which ones?
Barring any regime change or liberal revolution in China, or any sort of resource revolution (like an affordable and abundant alternative energy source) that will benefit all nations involved, conflict is all but inevitable between the US and China. The only real questions are when, where, and under what other circumstances it will take place. If they make a move, it is because they feel they can survive it. Panama - they now own 80% of the controlling interests along the canal. They could effectively shut down the canal, which means the Atlantic fleets could not join the Pacific fleets as quickly. They have been eyeing the Spratleys...So? How would entering into a full-scale conflict with the U.S. benefit the Chinese military?
The Spratleys may be a launching point at a future date for a conflict in the area; I personally think that this is more likely than a mainland invasion of Taiwan. Taiwan is a tough target; with more naval force, the Spratleys are easy pickings. Taiwan would be a great political and moral victory from the Chinese perspective, but the Spratleys and their oil will at some point appear to the Chinese to be too vital not to incorporate. Only problem for them is that they're not the only great regional power who wants 'em and I've heard that their sub warfare tactics involve defending them. And they just recently purchased their first nuclear-powered subs from Russia (within the last 2 years I think) which doesn't put them on par with us, but definitely improves their odds in a conflict.
Conflict between the US and China is inevitable on the present course, but so is conflict between India and China as well. They already have unresolved border disputes, and with this added pressure it is only a matter of time. In 1999 India announced that it would be increasing its presence in the South China Sea. Their leaders have apparently determined that they are in the same boat as China - that their energy consumption will eventially outstrip their ability to obtain supplies, so they need to increase the supply at some point. They have been beefing up their navy as China has as a result.
Given their rates of consumption (both China and India), India in the South China Sea will become their first major conflict point, before the beef between us and the Chinese comes to a head.
Oh no. We've lost civilian electricity in many cities. Guess what? Our nukes still work, assholes!
edit: And what the hell does China stand to gain from this bizarre conspiracy? We'll never pay back those loans if they attack us, and they don't have the ability to invade us so it's not like they can capture resources. You've said why there will be conflict, but what does China stand to gain from escalation to a war? Also, that Panama thing is hilarious. You think Panama is going to refuse passage to a carrier battle group?
Panama is going to interfere with critical US military operations and aid America's enemies openly? Wow.
Last edited by Deuce; 10-05-10 at 08:00 PM.
One of you will end up here next!
If China were to take over the USA what would the ramifications be on the Chinese mail order bride industry?
If you are just coming to a point when you ask what China's long term goald are you have no idea of what Chins as been going from the very day that President Nixon opened China to trade, you have not been paying attention.
In general all Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Maoist to survive must expand in natural, agricultural, manufacturing, and human resources of face implosion because the System drains all of these resources domestically, along with all the incentives of those who once were the RICH who were over Taxed in order to fulfill the whole manta: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
It comes to a point when the system collapses and there are no more rich or pecieved rich to take from to give to those who take but contribute little.
End of story, O'Donnell got it right. There is no greater prize on earth than th U.S.A. that is what the Soviet Union had in mind before it's collapse.
From the ashes.