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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, as specific as I can get at the moment was during the heat of debates over Iraq during the Bush terms, it seemed a popular retort of liberals to call Bush a criminal for ignoring treaties.

    Now though, with Taiwan, all that is just passe?
    You're going to have to address a liberal about that. I wouldn't be too upset if we ignored about 95% of our non-economic treaties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    did you, or did you not advance an argument at any time that referred to Bush as a criminal for breaking a treaty?

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    By all means do. Bush might be a retard but a War criminal? Not really.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...tml#post471978

    Your ignorance about who I am shows your complete partisanship. I've defended Bush on many occasions. Sure he's a bit of a nutcase but a war criminal?
    You lose.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When Nixon visited China, did he at that point refuse to defend Taiwan against aggression?
    This is so tedious. Do you have any understanding of international politics beyond what you're taught on FOX News? The fact that Nixon recognized that both peoples "understood" that there was but one China gives recognition to the PRC's claims and thus makes any agreement of defense we have with the ROC irrelevant. It's like saying that you want a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but understand that there is no such thing as Palestine. Is this really too hard for you to understand as a concept of two faced politics? Nixon paved the way for Carter by recognizing but 'one China'. Carter simply put the move on paper.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is so tedious. Do you have any understanding of international politics beyond what you're taught on FOX News?
    This was a rhetorical question, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This was a rhetorical question, right?
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post



    You need to remember that you aren't any sort of expert on this subject.
    Geez, you tell me

    Do you think, you can physically take the country's infrastructure down SO far that it takes years to repair?

    Given 70-75 people, who will do precisely what you tell them at precisely when you tell them, and where you tell them, You could take this country down to a point that it wil take about 4 weeks to get power back on to 55% of the populace, if the country is lucky.....72 people, less than a quarter million bux and

    I would have at LEAST 3 levels of redundancy and reliability. You think thats possible?

    3 people in each of 20 cities. And 15 people distributed amongst those same 20 cities, for back-up and redundancy. The country would come down SO hard that it'd take months to get power back to all, and after the first 3 days the depression would set in and our resource demands would be MUCH less than they were before.

    Suffice to say, without "giving the enemy ideas" .... by taking down just a few very specific nodes within the Power and Communications Industries, you also get as a bonus, the water systems in the cities you chose, natural gas and oil transmission nationwide (did you know that there is ONE single MAIN pipeline system feeding the NorthEast over 3/4's of its natural gas and petroleum products?) If one selects the cities carefully, one also criples train service nationwide for several days AFTER the power gets restored. Power generation plants are NOT designed to come off line instantly and there would be SOME physical damage. PLUS, refineries which do not shut down in an orderly manner don't come back on line for months.

    As interconnected as things are if one takes down the right combo of facilities in the right combo of cities fragile is too robust a description for our infrastructure.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is so tedious. Do you have any understanding of international politics beyond what you're taught on FOX News? The fact that Nixon recognized that both peoples "understood" that there was but one China gives recognition to the PRC's claims and thus makes any agreement of defense we have with the ROC irrelevant. It's like saying that you want a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but understand that there is no such thing as Palestine. Is this really too hard for you to understand as a concept of two faced politics? Nixon paved the way for Carter by recognizing but 'one China'. Carter simply put the move on paper.

    So the State Dept. is wrong....got it.....whew.


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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Geez, you tell me

    Do you think, you can physically take the country's infrastructure down SO far that it takes years to repair?

    Given 70-75 people, who will do precisely what you tell them at precisely when you tell them, and where you tell them, You could take this country down to a point that it wil take about 4 weeks to get power back on to 55% of the populace, if the country is lucky.....72 people, less than a quarter million bux and

    I would have at LEAST 3 levels of redundancy and reliability. You think thats possible?

    3 people in each of 20 cities. And 15 people distributed amongst those same 20 cities, for back-up and redundancy. The country would come down SO hard that it'd take months to get power back to all, and after the first 3 days the depression would set in and our resource demands would be MUCH less than they were before.

    Suffice to say, without "giving the enemy ideas" .... by taking down just a few very specific nodes within the Power and Communications Industries, you also get as a bonus, the water systems in the cities you chose, natural gas and oil transmission nationwide (did you know that there is ONE single MAIN pipeline system feeding the NorthEast over 3/4's of its natural gas and petroleum products?) If one selects the cities carefully, one also criples train service nationwide for several days AFTER the power gets restored. Power generation plants are NOT designed to come off line instantly and there would be SOME physical damage. PLUS, refineries which do not shut down in an orderly manner don't come back on line for months.

    As interconnected as things are if one takes down the right combo of facilities in the right combo of cities fragile is too robust a description for our infrastructure.


    What does your response have to do with outright war with China?

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post

    What does your response have to do with outright war with China?
    China doesn't have to win in the traditional sense.

    All they need to do is drive us back about 40-50 years in resource needs.

    And they don';t have to fire a BULLET to do that.

    Understand that the chinese have been working for YEARS to be able to wage a true asymetrical war against the US. If all you are thinking about is the bullets and bombs and nukes and stuff, you won't win the battle against China.

    If you are thinkng in terms of a multi-continent, multi-layered, virtual battle-space that includes cyber attacks against logistics, comms, power and Life Support Infrastructure (LSI), then you might be thinking in the right terms.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    China doesn't have to win in the traditional sense.

    All they need to do is drive us back about 40-50 years in resource needs.

    And they don';t have to fire a BULLET to do that.

    Understand that the chinese have been working for YEARS to be able to wage a true asymetrical war against the US. If all you are thinking about is the bullets and bombs and nukes and stuff, you won't win the battle against China.

    If you are thinkng in terms of a multi-continent, multi-layered, virtual battle-space that includes cyber attacks against logistics, comms, power and Life Support Infrastructure (LSI), then you might be thinking in the right terms.
    Yeah, but that's not what this thread is about. I already noted that China owns us economically, which is frankly---much scarier.

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