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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Pot, kettle, etc.

    Common in politics....Get over it.


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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    This whole O'Donnell thing reminds me of that movie "Idiocracy," and when I look around I can see the truth of it. Intelligent people are reproducing less and less, thus leaving the ignorant to rule.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Would we, or would we not, be stupid enough to enter another landwar in Asia?
    Chinese think tanks have been saying for YEARS that they would have to go to war against the US.

    If one were to define a Chinese Victory in 4Gen Warfighting terms, then they have gone well past the point at which they have a good shot at a win.

    You need to remember several things:

    1 - The military in China wags the government unlike in the US and other Western Countries.

    2 - Economics of export markets (ie the US Markets) doesn't enter into the PLA/N's calculus at all. Nor should it considering the Pac Rim. Thus the loss of US Consumer Markets would only be a small speed bump in China. Loss of US COMPETITION for RESOURCES would offset the speed bump in a LOT of folks' opinions.

    3 - The Chinese Military WANTS TAIWAN back in the Fold, a LOT more than the Sons of the American Confederacy want to see the South Rise Again. To many of the Chinese .mil leaders the fact that Taiwan exists is a PERSONAL affront.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, the real problem is that you would argue that treaties ratified in the US Congress are supreme law of the land, unless it interferes with your own world view.

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    Oh what a crock of ****, the 'real' problem is people like you who can't see that the U.S. has never held defense treaties in that high of a regard during times of war. Now, aside from your complete inability to see this fact, care to show us which treaties I would defend? Maybe the Autralian-American treaty for avoidance of double taxation? I don't even know how I feel about that.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Look, the real world answer in all honesty is probably not, seeing as how Carter refused to continue to recognize Taipei as the capitol of Tiwan, and shifted our recognition to Bejing.
    Finally, a correct answer!
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    however, Isn't it odd that when talking of things like treaties that those in opposition to causes they believe in mean everything while this one seems to mean little?
    Please be specific.

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh what a crock of ****, the 'real' problem is people like you who can't see that the U.S. has never held defense treaties in that high of a regard during times of war. Now, aside from your complete inability to see this fact, care to show us which treaties I would defend? Maybe the Autralian-American treaty for avoidance of double taxation? I don't even know how I feel about that.

    did you, or did you not advance an argument at any time that referred to Bush as a criminal for breaking a treaty?

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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My brilliant ignorance? Nah...I think you'd better read again.
    I think you should learn to read:

    Your brilliant ignorance shines again. Why is it Carter's fault that we didn't recognize Taiwan when in reality it was Nixon who first recognized Red China?
    1972 Nixon visit to China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    U.S. President Richard Nixon's 1972 visit to the People's Republic of China was an important step in formally normalizing relations between the United States and the People's Republic of China. It marked the first time a U.S. president had visited the PRC, who at that time considered the U.S. one of its staunchest foes. The visit has become a metaphor for an unexpected or uncharacteristic action by a politician.
    The U.S. acknowledged the notion that all Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait maintain that there is only one China. Nixon and the U.S. government reaffirmed their interests in a peaceful settlement of the Taiwan question agreed by the Chinese themselves. The statement enabled the U.S. and PRC to temporarily set aside the "crucial question obstructing the normalization of relations"[6] concerning the political status of Taiwan and to open trade and other contacts. However, the United States continued to maintain official relations with the government of the Republic of China in Taiwan until 1979 when the U.S. broke off relations with the Republic of China and established full diplomatic relations with the P.R.C.
    In other words, my comment stands. It was NIXON who first recognized the PRC and opened them up for diplomatic relations. But please, explain to us how it's Carter's fault that this happened when it had been set in motion by Nixon?

    Hmmmm... 1979...Now who could that be? Nixon as you say who's term was from 1969 to 1974? Or now who could that be.......Hmmmmmmm....

    Jimmy Carter

    39th President of the United States
    In office January 20, 1977 – January 20, 1981


    doh!


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    Pick up a history book and then get back to us? Diplomatic recognition does not trump the opening of diplomatic relations. Never has.
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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think you should learn to read:



    1972 Nixon visit to China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia







    Pick up a history book and then get back to us? Diplomatic recognition does not trump the opening of diplomatic relations. Never has.

    When Nixon visited China, did he at that point refuse to defend Taiwan against aggression?

    the answer would be a NO. So you're attempt to blur, and rewrite history falls flat. sorry.


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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Please be specific.
    Well, as specific as I can get at the moment was during the heat of debates over Iraq during the Bush terms, it seemed a popular retort of liberals to call Bush a criminal for ignoring treaties.

    Now though, with Taiwan, all that is just passe?


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    Re: O'Donnell said China plotting to take over US

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Chinese think tanks have been saying for YEARS that they would have to go to war against the US.
    Really. Which ones?

    You need to remember several things:
    You need to remember that you aren't any sort of expert on this subject.

    1 - The military in China wags the government unlike in the US and other Western Countries.
    So? How would entering into a full-scale conflict with the U.S. benefit the Chinese military?

    2 - Economics of export markets (ie the US Markets) doesn't enter into the PLA/N's calculus at all. Nor should it considering the Pac Rim. Thus the loss of US Consumer Markets would only be a small speed bump in China. Loss of US COMPETITION for RESOURCES would offset the speed bump in a LOT of folks' opinions.
    Yeah, I don't think you know what you're talking about here.

    The Chinese Military WANTS TAIWAN back in the Fold, a LOT more than the Sons of the American Confederacy want to see the South Rise Again. To many of the Chinese .mil leaders the fact that Taiwan exists is a PERSONAL affront.
    Okay. I don't see a lot of Americans supporting us entering into war with the Chinese over Taiwan. So then, my response is...so what?

    Also, there is no such organization as the Sons of the American Confederacy. Do you mean SOCV? If so, you should be aware that the Sons of the Confederate Veterans aren't eager to go to war with the union again.

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