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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Where did anyone say anything about welfare fraud?
    As far as I can tell, all of this was done legally and legitimately.
    A single parent with two children must usually earn less than $14,436 a year to qualify for assistance, said a social services official.
    Legitimate? How is it a person making less than $14,436 a year with 2 kids ends up gadding about in Hawaii? Maybe they swam there.
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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    I guess welfare isn't just for families struggling to eat anymore. What good is life without a gambling trip to Vegas. I'm sure life isn't worth living without that Hawaiian vacation paid for by the taxpayers. For some reason the knee jerk reaction is always to raise taxes to cover these "humanitarian" costs. Somehow I just can't picture a single parent with two children, earning less than $14,436 a year, vacationing on Maui can you? Remember that the next time your property tax bill comes.
    UPDATE ON THE STORY

    State to block access to welfare cards from casinos and cruise ships

    Department Director John Wagner instructed the vendor that administers the debit card program to make the changes Monday afternoon, in response to a story that ran in The Times' Monday edition. The move is part of the Schwarzenegger administration's commitment to "rooting out waste, fraud and abuse in these programs" and to ensuring "these resources are going to the people they are intended for," Wagner said.

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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Day late and $69 Million short if you ask me.
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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

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    Day late and $69 Million short if you ask me.
    Agreed.

    Do you get this worked up with every abuse and waste?

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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Agreed.

    Do you get this worked up with every abuse and waste?
    As a matter of fact I DO!
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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

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    As a matter of fact I DO!
    I'll watch for it.

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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

    Just some more quotes to provide some balance. From the original LA Times story.

    $69 million in California welfare money drawn out of state - latimes.com

    The out-of-state spending accounts for less than 1% of the $10.8 billion spent by welfare recipients during the period covered, and advocates note that there are legitimate reasons to spend aid money outside of California. From the data provided, it cannot be determined whether any of the expenditures resulted from fraud.
    Many recipients travel to other states in an emergency such as a death in the family, investigators say. But with government resources scarce, it's difficult to sort those cases from incidents of abuse.
    "I think when somebody hears it's in a fancy hotel in Hawaii or Vegas, it's too easy to assume the [welfare recipient] is visiting that place and it wasn't somebody who stole their card," said Jessica Bartholow, a legislative advocate for the Western Center on Law and Poverty.

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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

    Quote Originally Posted by satandog View Post
    Just some more quotes to provide some balance. From the original LA Times story.

    $69 million in California welfare money drawn out of state - latimes.com
    The out-of-state spending accounts for less than 1% of the $10.8 billion spent by welfare recipients during the period covered, and advocates note that there are legitimate reasons to spend aid money outside of California. From the data provided, it cannot be determined whether any of the expenditures resulted from fraud.
    Re-read the story. Money spent on Cruise ships, casinos and on Maui? I'd really like to see all those people making less than $15,000 WITH 2 children traveling to Maui. Common sense tells me money withdrawn from ATM's in a Casino didn't go to buy a Las Vegas key fob. Besides, that's not fraudulent anyway. It would be the other income they must be clearly making and not reporting to go to Maui in the first place.

    Many recipients travel to other states in an emergency such as a death in the family, investigators say. But with government resources scarce, it's difficult to sort those cases from incidents of abuse.
    I don't know about you, but when was the last time you went to a funeral in a Casino?

    "I think when somebody hears it's in a fancy hotel in Hawaii or Vegas, it's too easy to assume the [welfare recipient] is visiting that place and it wasn't somebody who stole their card," said Jessica Bartholow, a legislative advocate for the Western Center on Law and Poverty.
    Jessica Bartholow didn't say just how many cards are stolen and being misused. Since a pin number is required, I find Bartholow's excuse far fetched. Besides, if the card was reported stolen it can be shut off before many charges are incurred.

    1% being mis-spent on anything other than basic necessities is 1% too much. They receive welfare for those basic necessities of life, it's not intended to be vacation fun money.
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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

    1% being mis-spent on anything other than basic necessities is 1% too much. They receive welfare for those basic necessities of life, it's not intended to be vacation fun money.
    I am not saying that any of this is a good thing but I do think that it is important to put the numbers into perspective.

    The article also seems to be saying that 99% of the money spent on welfare in California is being spent for its intended purpose.

    I would be happy to hear about any system involving people and money that is free of fraud and/or waste.
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    Re: The great California benefits scandal: More than $69m in handouts frittered away

    "Millions of dollars of California welfare handouts have been frittered away on gambling sprees in Las Vegas, expensive sunshine holidays in Hawaii and at Disney World in Florida.

    More than $69 million in benefits meant to clothe and feed needy families was spent outside California in recent years, making a mockery of the state’s attempts to help the poor."
    Single CEO's spend more than $69 million of my potential wages on **** like that all the time. ****, my boss just invited me this year to go to Vegas with him on business because he could write it off. It is inevitable. We talk of the most populous state in the country "wasting" $69 million. This stat ($69m) reflects the whole state from January 2007 through May 2010 WASTING TAX DOLLARS! However no one is pointing out that if CA gives a total of $3b a year in welfare over the course of three years, that adds up to $9b in total. $9b-$69m = $8.931b. So at the cost of "wasting $69m" the rest (statistically ALL of it) was used as intended. Is the author of this post trying to argue that we must discontinue ALL welfare if .7% is spent on fraudulent ends?
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    and so it goes...

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