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    Re: U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    ****ing Sick! This is another reason why government should be kept very small.
    So it cant research disease?

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    Re: U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So it cant research disease?
    This wasn't researching diseases the proper way. The proper way is you inform and ask permission if you can. These people were just performing without permission or even knowledge. It is a sick act.

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    Re: U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

    This wasn't "the right thing for the US to do". What happened was that they got completely and without a shadow of a doubt busted on it from a sociology professor breaking the story, said "oh **** now we gotta do damage control" and came out and apologized to cover their ass. Make no mistake, they don't care either way about the moral implications; they only care about the political implications.
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    Re: U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    So it cant research disease?
    As long as you're willing to accept the consequences that, it may use those diseases for war and may test them on unwilling people, sure go right ahead.
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    Re: U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This wasn't "the right thing for the US to do". What happened was that they got completely and without a shadow of a doubt busted on it from a sociology professor breaking the story, said "oh **** now we gotta do damage control" and came out and apologized to cover their ass. Make no mistake, they don't care either way about the moral implications; they only care about the political implications.
    That's your silly interpretation because you - assume - that the current power brokers in Washington are keenly aware of every dark secret perpetrated by government predecessors. The likelihood of this knowledge-omnipotence is as nil as your assumption.

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    Re: U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

    I dont have the direct blame for those actions, only the government and the people involved with the policy and abuse have that. But I do and so do all Canadians have the indirect blame for those actions taken by the Canadian government
    No, you have an indirect responsibility for their actions. Lord Tammerlain. What can we do about it? How can we help? How can we undo this wrong?

    That is reacting to the problem with responsibility of past sins, if they knew sins were being committed, but they were not sins of our making.

    Instead of feeling any blame we should do whatever we can to resolve any problems our ancestors may have committed. They did a lot of good, occasionally some bad. We can hope to improve on their legacy by doing even better.

    But blame and guilt? Those are two of most useless and unproductive emotional responses of all.

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    Re: U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    That's your silly interpretation because you - assume - that the current power brokers in Washington are keenly aware of every dark secret perpetrated by government predecessors. The likelihood of this knowledge-omnipotence is as nil as your assumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, you have an indirect responsibility for their actions. Lord Tammerlain. What can we do about it? How can we help? How can we undo this wrong?

    That is reacting to the problem with responsibility of past sins, if they knew sins were being committed, but they were not sins of our making.

    Instead of feeling any blame we should do whatever we can to resolve any problems our ancestors may have committed. They did a lot of good, occasionally some bad. We can hope to improve on their legacy by doing even better.

    But blame and guilt? Those are two of most useless and unproductive emotional responses of all.
    I am using the term blame in the manner of being responsible for. I didnt commit those injustices, I dont have any guilt about them on a personal level. The Canadian government committed those acts not even on my behalf as I was not born yet. But as a Canadian citizen I share a collective responsibility/blame for those actions. It is our duty to compensate those effected, and work to ensure such things never occur again
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    Re: U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I am using the term blame in the manner of being responsible for. I didnt commit those injustices, I dont have any guilt about them on a personal level. The Canadian government committed those acts not even on my behalf as I was not born yet. But as a Canadian citizen I share a collective responsibility/blame for those actions. It is our duty to compensate those effected, and work to ensure such things never occur again
    Yep I agree fully. There is no use in hiding behind the "but it was an older generation" excuse (often selectively) for actions of your nation against others. It brings nothing but problems in the long run...
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    Re: U.S. to apologize for STD experiments in Guatemala

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yep I agree fully. There is no use in hiding behind the "but it was an older generation" excuse (often selectively) for actions of your nation against others. It brings nothing but problems in the long run...
    That's clearly nonsense. How far do the sins of our fathers extend? Surely there must be a stale-date on them.

    I certainly wouldn't blame the Germans of today for starting wars and committing genocide, nor would I judge the Spanish or Italians for supporting Fascism. It seems goofy Eurolefties are only in the unforgiving department when it involves Americans.

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