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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    oh yeah, I know all about that, "last straw". It's why, when I was a shy little 9th grader, who was the target of plenty of humiliation, got pissed the **** off and kicked the dog **** out of a dude half again my size in my English I class back in 1984.

    Ya see, had this been me; instead of offing myself and you all starting a thread about me offing myself, the thread title would have read: College Freshman Kicks the Ever-Living-**** out of two college class mates because they posted a video of him having sex, on Youtube.

    Why couldn't he go to his parents? If one of my kids came to me with something like this and said, "dad! Look what they did to me!", I would be ****ing these two kids up.
    Maybe his parents are jerks-off who tell him he's being picked on because he's weak and supposedly that is just Darwinism at work.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've had plenty of emotional pain in my life. I was a shy kid that was subjected to public humiliation as a teenager; until I decided to put my fist through a dude's face, one day. That was the first epiphany of my life and certainly not my last.
    Then you weren't clinically depressed or suicidal. I appreciate that you made it through suffering and feel stronger now, but don't presume that that same definition of survival and strength applies to all people. Some people break. Even in the developed world, the suicide rate is high. I believe in the U.S. it is the #5 cause of death.

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    Yeah, life sucks ass, it's hard, sometimes we feel like giving up; but the one thing that we're all born with, is the natural instinct to survive. Those who aren't born with that instinct, or whom that instinct isn't strong enough, are naturally selected to be deleted from the species. You do believe in Darwinism, natural selection and evolution. Right?
    That's probably true, but the fact that you boil suicide down to darwinism shows that you don't know very much about the factors involved. We can talk about darwinism because the result is known; the kid is dead, and he is therefore removed from natural selection. I don't see how that's relevant to the factors that caused him to die, including incredibly cruel behaviour on the part of the others, lack of community support, or lack of societal acceptance of gays causing shame and ostracization (I know that's a big word for you, it means: being outcasted).

    You wouldn't be here if your ancestors did not have communities to support them. The issue of suicide is not just chalked up to which individuals have what it takes to survive, but also who has a stable community of support. Any human being who is removed from human support for a long time slips into depression and health problems. Most hermits and isolationists are mental cases. Gays typically have a higher suicide rate than straight people because they lack societal acceptance, safe forums of expression, and they face hate and violence. Even living in the most liberal part of Canada, I am still subjected to homophobia.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's a huge difference between not being able to cope with suffering, shrinking in a corner, rocking to-n-fro, crying and offing one's self.

    I've had plenty of emotional pain in my life. I was a shy kid that was subjected to public humiliation as a teenager; until I decided to put my fist through a dude's face, one day. That was the first epiphany of my life and certainly not my last.

    Yeah, life sucks ass, it's hard, sometimes we feel like giving up; but the one thing that we're all born with, is the natural instinct to survive. Those who aren't born with that instinct, or whom that instinct isn't strong enough, are naturally selected to be deleted from the species. You do believe in Darwinism, natural selection and evolution. Right?
    I believe people can become emotional. I believe the emotions that can cause one person to hit another are the same emotions than can cause someone to jump off a bridge. I believe that if you had killed that person you hit, then you might feel very differently about it in retrospect. I believe that people are accountable for the choices they make.

    I do not believe that anyone has the right to dehumanize someone to the terms of natural selection. I do not believe that using the same Social Darwinism of the Nazis is appropriate when discussing the death of an 18 year old man. I do not believe you are superior because you chose to hurt someone else in your distress instead of hurting yourself.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    oh yeah, I know all about that, "last straw". It's why, when I was a shy little 9th grader, who was the target of plenty of humiliation, got pissed the **** off and kicked the dog **** out of a dude half again my size in my English I class back in 1984.

    Ya see, had this been me; instead of offing myself and you all starting a thread about me offing myself, the thread title would have read: College Freshman Kicks the Ever-Living-**** out of two college class mates because they posted a video of him having sex, on Youtube.

    Why couldn't he go to his parents? If one of my kids came to me with something like this and said, "dad! Look what they did to me!", I would be ****ing these two kids up.
    But surely you are intelligent enough to get that not all people handle lifes stresses the same way. That doesnt make them pathetic, or weak...it makes them human.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Some more background:

    Tyler Clementi Turned To A Gay Message Forum For Help Before His Suicide - Kashmir Hill - The Not-So Private Parts - Forbes

    He apparently found out about his roommate's spying prior to the second incident:

    so the other night i had a guy over. I had talked to my roommate that afternoon and he had said it would be fine w/him. I checked his twitter today. he tweeted that I was using the room (which is obnoxious enough), AND that he went into somebody else’s room and remotely turned on his webcam and saw me making out with a guy. given the angle of the webcam I can be confident that that was all he could have seen.

    so my question is what next?

    I could just be more careful next time…make sure to turn the cam away…
    buttt…
    I’m kinda pissed at him (rightfully so I think, no?)
    and idk…if I could…it would be nice to get him in trouble
    but idk if I have enough to get him in trouble, i mean…he never saw anything pornographic…he never recorded anything…
    I feel like the only thing the school might do is find me another roommate, probably with me moving out…and i’d probably just end up with somebody worse than him….I mean aside from being an asshole from time to time, he’s a pretty decent roommate…

    the other thing is I that don’t wanna report him and then end up with nothing happening except him getting pissed at me….
    the following morning:

    so I wanted to have the guy over again.

    I texted roomie around 7 asking for the room later tonight and he said it was fine.

    when I got back to the room I instantly noticed he had turned the webcam toward my bed. And he had posted online again….saying….”anyone want a free show just video chat me tonight”…or something similar to that….

    soooo after that…..

    I ran to the nearest RA and set this thing in motion…..
    we’ll see what happens……

    I haven’t even seen my roommate since sunday when i was asking for the room the first time…and him doing it again just set me off….so talking to him just didn’t seem like an option….

    meanwhile I turned off and unplugged his computer, went crazy looking for other hidden cams….and then had a great time.
    The guy seems calm and collected here, but it was that night that he ended up jumping.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It is the reactions that display nothing but cold contempt served up without even the tiniest shred of human decency that make no sense.
    Well - he had problems that, like most other suicides, were around long before the last straw, I'm sure.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Some more background:

    Tyler Clementi Turned To A Gay Message Forum For Help Before His Suicide - Kashmir Hill - The Not-So Private Parts - Forbes

    He apparently found out about his roommate's spying prior to the second incident:



    the following morning:



    The guy seems calm and collected here, but it was that night that he ended up jumping.
    Yeah I seriously can't see this as the reason of his suicide. I mean heck they guy is even considering keeping him as a roommate after the first offence and then he is just pissed after the second. Not to mention he clearly states that nothing pornographic went out on the web, he gets rid of the camera and then he goes and has sex. As far as I can tell his roommate was just being a jerk, the kid set things in motion to get it taken care of. And he seems happy at the end of his post. I seriously can't see this as the reason for his suicide. And I can't see his roommates getting anything more then a fine and a slap on the wrist.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Then you weren't clinically depressed or suicidal. I appreciate that you made it through suffering and feel stronger now, but don't presume that that same definition of survival and strength applies to all people. Some people break. Even in the developed world, the suicide rate is high. I believe in the U.S. it is the #5 cause of death.



    That's probably true, but the fact that you boil suicide down to darwinism shows that you don't know very much about the factors involved. We can talk about darwinism because the result is known; the kid is dead, and he is therefore removed from natural selection. I don't see how that's relevant to the factors that caused him to die, including incredibly cruel behaviour on the part of the others, lack of community support, or lack of societal acceptance of gays causing shame and ostracization (I know that's a big word for you, it means: being outcasted).

    You wouldn't be here if your ancestors did not have communities to support them. The issue of suicide is not just chalked up to which individuals have what it takes to survive, but also who has a stable community of support. Any human being who is removed from human support for a long time slips into depression and health problems. Most hermits and isolationists are mental cases. Gays typically have a higher suicide rate than straight people because they lack societal acceptance, safe forums of expression, and they face hate and violence. Even living in the most liberal part of Canada, I am still subjected to homophobia.

    No man is an island, and not all men breed... but that doesn't mean men aren't worthy of protection, respect, and compassion.
    I agree with that 100%, until it comes time to protect them from their own stupidity; which is impossible.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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