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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I found this mildly humorous. To go to this length over a prank like this is ludicrous. It's a red herring to place an inch of blame on these two kids, because if a kid is that emotional and irrational, it was just a matter of time until something drove him over the edge.

    My sympathy cup is empty for this kid.
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    The student could have had personal reasons for not wanting to be known as gay, perhaps while he grandparents were still alive or anything to that effect. These two had no right to strain his values by violating his privacy, at and best they did so out of ignorance (although even then, there can be malevolence in ignorance). I'm willing to say that their family or society should have made a deep investment in their moral education, but not to say they shouldn't be held responsible for their actions.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
    That doesn't criminalize being gay. Try again.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That doesn't criminalize being gay. Try again.
    Yeah it does. If you have been found to have committed sodomy while in service in the military then you will be arrested, charged, and prosectuted.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yeah it does. If you have been found to have committed sodomy while in service in the military then you will be arrested, charged, and prosectuted.
    No it doesn't criminalize being gay. It criminalizes breaking the military code of conduct which is a completely voluntary engagement since we don't have forced military service. And even then, it doesn't even require that you abstain from the act, only that you keep it discreet and not mix it with your military life.

    Can you point to any examples of DADT resulting in prosecution? It was my understanding that it simply led to administrative discharge. And that's only when it's actually used.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No it doesn't criminalize being gay. It criminalizes breaking the military code of conduct which is a completely voluntary engagement since we don't have forced military service. And even then, it doesn't even require that you abstain from the act, only that you keep it discreet and not mix it with your military life.

    Can you point to any examples of DADT resulting in prosecution? It was my understanding that it simply led to administrative discharge. And that's only when it's actually used.
    As far as I know, they are all technically prosecutions. Some have been discharged simply for having a same sex marriage certificate.

    How about the Stonewall riots?
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    As far as I know, they are all technically prosecutions. Some have been discharged simply for having a same sex marriage certificate.
    That would be a direct violation of the code of conduct so I can see why they were discharged for it.

    How about the Stonewall riots?
    What about them? They were in 1969 and marked the beginning of the gay rights movement. It's not like they are really all that applicable to the state of gay rights today.

    So again...can you point to any examples in the last thirty years that show a systematic, state sponsored prosecution of gays or not? You showed two isolated incidents that resulted in the overturning of sodomy laws....that's it. I am not really buying into this "gays are still victims" song and dance. At least not any more than any other group of people.

    How about we make instances of victimization about the particular victim and perps rather than about group identities?

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Hey, I'm straight and committed sodomy with my wife multiple times over the past week.

    Guess that makes me gay since apparently sodomy = gay since sodomy laws = gay is illegal.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hey, I'm straight and committed sodomy with my wife multiple times over the past week.

    Guess that makes me gay since apparently sodomy = gay since sodomy laws = gay is illegal.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No it doesn't criminalize being gay. It criminalizes breaking the military code of conduct which is a completely voluntary engagement since we don't have forced military service. And even then, it doesn't even require that you abstain from the act, only that you keep it discreet and not mix it with your military life.

    Can you point to any examples of DADT resulting in prosecution? It was my understanding that it simply led to administrative discharge. And that's only when it's actually used.
    Your interpretation would make sense. . . however . . .

    If someone sees you - off duty - in another town - on a date with your gay partner and kissing - and they take a photo and proove it - you can get booted for that.
    It doesn't have to be *on duty* - it doesn't have to be *on base* - it doesn't have to even be *in uniform* or anything.
    If you - at any time - are discovered to be 'doing something gay' - you can get the boot.

    You can get the boot for what you did BEFORE you joined, as well.

    Very FEW people actually *violated* DADT's code - some people are "discovered" through some nosy **** ONLINE or - or as is the example I gave: on the weekend OUT OF TOWN and no where near 'duty' at all. So - the act *says* "Don't ASK Don't TELL" - but you don't need to be asked and you don't need to tell . . . you just need to be discovered, spied or snooped on.

    If person A is in the military - and person B is not in the military.
    Person A doesn't tell or is never discovered - but someone who knows person B (at their school, for example) figures out that person B is involved with military person A - then the person who makes that discovery/connection can anonymously turn in person A without *ever* even meeting them.
    And person A can get the boot.

    So DADT is misleading title.
    The entire act is frequently abused and a bunch of bull**** - a great way for non-military homophobes to exact some sort of personal deviant revenge on hard working citizens.

    It's twisted and wrong.

    Now - if these situations I've mentioned *didn't actually EVER* happen - then it would be a different story and your view of it would be more on target.
    But you're way off base with how you think it really pans out.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    What a sad loss. I wish the best for his family as I personally know they are have a terrible time dealing with this.
    You personally know them?
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