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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Wait wait wait...are we saying that bullies who pick on Gays are "special" bullies in that they're all homophobes?

    Are bullies who pick on fat kids "fataphobes"? Are people who pick on geeks "geekaphobes"?

    Is it not possible that a bully is just that, a jackass bully, and thus they're picking on people using whatever obvious trait outside the social norm is present in the individual that is their target?

    Are the people bullying gays magically kind and nice to everyone else? Is their bullying limited solely to gay people?

    I'm not dismissing the fact that there are homophobes out there, or people doing horrible things to gays at times because they're gay. However I'd dare say the vast majority of SCHOOL bullying being perpetrated upon gays are being done because the people are bullies and/or peer pressure and the individual happens to be outside the soical norm.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    1) Jall said that gays are not rounded up for being gay (i.e. there is no systematic persecution by the state).

    2) You said that it wasn't the state, but that it was homophobes who did it. That clearly implies that you think there is systematic persecution by homophobes.

    3) Oscar said that there has not been systematic persecution of gays in this country.

    4) You pretended like you never said anything to the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    That "homos are NOT rounded up by the police for having buttsecks;" it's homophobes that go after gay people, not police. Duh.
    So, there is a large group of people that sytematically go after gays, for being gay? Kinda like Gay Nazis, or something of that nature.

    Ernst Rohm and his Brown Shirts, only in America? Oh, wait, Ernst Rohm most of the Brown Shirts were gay, that's not a good comparison. Anyway, you know what I mean.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Wait wait wait...are we saying that bullies who pick on Gays are "special" bullies in that they're all homophobes?

    Are bullies who pick on fat kids "fataphobes"? Are people who pick on geeks "geekaphobes"?

    Is it not possible that a bully is just that, a jackass bully, and thus they're picking on people using whatever obvious trait outside the social norm is present in the individual that is their target?

    Are the people bullying gays magically kind and nice to everyone else? Is their bullying limited solely to gay people?

    I'm not dismissing the fact that there are homophobes out there, or people doing horrible things to gays at times because they're gay. However I'd dare say the vast majority of SCHOOL bullying being perpetrated upon gays are being done because the people are bullies and/or peer pressure and the individual happens to be outside the soical norm.
    Don't forget that the garden variety bully seaks out not only the kids who are different, but kids they perceive as being un-able, or un-willing to defend themselves.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As to what kind of bullying is "worse". I think its really hard to determine. Location does play into it. Additionally, the ability of that individual to DEAL and adapt and react to the bullying ALSO greatly affects how intense or harsh it is.

    There may be times when a kid is picked on far worse becasue he's gay than a kid that's just poor and akward, but there are undoubtably times when the opposite is true. Hell, in my fraternity at college we had one brother who was gay who rarely if ever got any ribbing done to him regarding his sexuality while we had a straight brother who was greatly metrosexual that I'd dare say got ten times the "gay" ribbing then the actual gay guy did.

    I think its completely overshooting the situation and attempting to try and make a political statement rather than deal with reality when we attempt to make out as if a particular group or situation is universally some kind of greater issue or problem.
    I completely agree that it's hard to determine what kind of bullying is "worse." But you asked if pretending to like music is any different than pretending to like the opposite sex. Of course it's different. You're not going to stay awake at night worrying about how you're going to listen to Lady Gaga, but having to spend every day pretending you're just like everybody else and talking to girls, talking about sex, taking a date to the prom, all that stuff... it's living a lie. That will eat you up inside. It's completely different. You can always point to some kid who's got it worse, but that doesn't negate what homosexuals face.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    specific examples please of the "unique" harassment gays go thru.
    That's all I've been doing, dude.

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    I'm going to go out on a limb and say...yeah, Jall probably has gay friends.

    Don't know if you realize or not but figure it may be useful for your responses, but Jall is homosexual.
    That doesn't change anything, especially not my viewpoint. A lot of homosexuals will say "it's not so bad," and of course it may be true or it may be that they want to appear strong and normal. They embrace their own identity and that's fantastic. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't recognize what happens to gay people in America and do everything we can to make sure they have equal opportunity and freedom and protection.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    That's all I've been doing, dude.
    not true. you haven't posted a single example of a situation involving harassment of gays that any other group that is "different" has suffered.

    sure, gays have had "fag" spray painted on their house. I guess that is unique because no other group has "fag" spray painted on their house. but blacks have had "nigger" painted on theirs. the fat kid, or the nerd have had eggs thrown at their house.

    replace the word "gay" in any of your examples with any other minority and that group has experienced the exact same thing.

    there is nothing "unique" about what gays go thru...except for the word "gay"
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    That "homos are NOT rounded up by the police for having buttsecks;" it's homophobes that go after gay people, not police. Duh.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    In my opinion, i think he overeacted a bit.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    That was in response to his claim of illegality of buttsecks that was really never enforced to begin with.

    And no, that doesn't prove mass roundup of gays and sweeping ostracization. All that proved was that over the course of twelve years, you found 5 isolated incidents that keep getting referred to as an epidemic.

    Granted, I only went through the first three pages.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Do you have any gay friends? I don't mean that in an angry way, I'm just asking because if you have gay friends, you have to know the kind of things they go through.

    It's not that heterosexual people are immune to bullying. It's that what homosexuals go through is unique and we need to protect them. If you don't agree, that's fine, but you should at least see what's happening and not deny it. Do you guys have gay family members? Gay friends? How can you deny the hardships they face?
    Does my boyfriend count as a gay friend? I dunno...

    Anyway, I grew up gay. I have gay friends. Not many because I really can't stand most homos for the specific fact that they tend to buy into the kind of victim mentality you keep espousing right here. But I can tell you this: I have never seen a gay person deal with anything more dramatic or difficult than anyone else is subjected to in their life. So gay kids get disowned...well guess what: so do kids who date outside their race, get caught smoking pot, or decide not to go to med school when that was their parent's wish.

    Gay kids get beat up? Guess what...so do poor kids, retarded kids, kids of different races, fat kids, smart kids, and the kid that can't play baseball as well as his peers. Oh well.

    I mean seriously...people need certain protections, but no class of people needs more protection than their peers. Except maybe people that are being ethnically cleansed or something. And you know...gays don't really need to worry about that since they aren't an ethnicity. But if they ever get sent to ovens and cyanide showers, I'll be the first to raise arms against it.

    As it stands now...gays don't need jack squat except to be left to their own devices and to learn to integrate into society and live their lives with no apologies or expectations. Acceptance is not a right. It's an earned status.

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