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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    If homosexuals and heterosexuals were on equal playing ground you would have a point. However, there is still a huge stigma attached to homosexuality for many. People are still being cast aside by family and friends for coming out.
    Well said and the suicide rate for gay teens is much much higher than for straight teens
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well said and the suicide rate for gay teens is much much higher than for straight teens
    "Gay teens have a higher suicide rate" =/= "All gay teen suicides are the result of homophobic bullying."
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well said and the suicide rate for gay teens is much much higher than for straight teens
    I'm hoping that changes. The current "It Gets Better" movement is very inspiring and I sincerely hope that it does some good.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    If homosexuals and heterosexuals were on equal playing ground you would have a point. However, there is still a huge stigma attached to homosexuality for many. People are still being cast aside by family and friends for coming out.
    Families cast out children for partying too much, marrying the wrong person, piercings, being bad in school. There are strong kids and there are weak kids. There are kids with emotional problems and there are kids with self esteem issues.

    Not every single homosexual kills themselves because they were bullied or cast out. Thats a lazy and general assumption. Homosexuals are just as diverse as any other group. They have weak and strong members, emotional and non emotional, caring and uncaring people.

    I've yet to see any study that claims homosexuals kill themselves over bullying every time.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well said and the suicide rate for gay teens is much much higher than for straight teens
    You don't know the reasons behind those suicides so pretending you do is just lazy thinking. Sometimes you never know was the reason truly was.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Families cast out children for partying too much, marrying the wrong person, piercings, being bad in school. There are strong kids and there are weak kids. There are kids with emotional problems and there are kids with self esteem issues.
    None of which are comparable to coming out to your family and having them cast you aside simply because you are attracted to people of the same sex. Try again.

    Not every single homosexual kills themselves because they were bullied or cast out. Thats a lazy and general assumption. Homosexuals are just as diverse as any other group. They have weak and strong members, emotional and non emotional, caring and uncaring people. I've yet to see any study that claims homosexuals kill themselves over bullying every time.
    I never said that. I think it's obvious that bullying isn't the cause of all homosexual suicides. It can happen for a variety of reasons. Most of them stem from the stigma that is still attached to being a homosexual. Bullying is included in that. I wasn't saying that bullying is the only cause. If that's what came across by me in a previous post, I apologize.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You don't know the reasons behind those suicides so pretending you do is just lazy thinking. Sometimes you never know was the reason truly was.
    Well it is not that damn hard to figure out now is it? Not to mention you must take into account left behind notes, bullying, etc. So not that hard to figure out and it is a big problem. A very sad one.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well it is not that damn hard to figure out now is it? Not to mention you must take into account left behind notes, bullying, etc. So not that hard to figure out and it is a big problem. A very sad one.
    And exactly what do you know about each of these five people? The point that texmaster is making is that you have no idea if these people killed themselves because of bullying, homophobia, or something else.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    When it comes to suicide, it's better to not try to use logic. Otherwise, one might come to the conclusion that Tyler Clementi placed his own selfish need above the anguish his act--and it was his act--would bring to his family and friends.
    It was indeed a selfish act and it was his choice. However, those bullies contributed to his misery and hopefully will live to feel guilty.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And exactly what do you know about each of these five people? The point that texmaster is making is that you have no idea if these people killed themselves because of bullying, homophobia, or something else.
    Exactly. There seems to be a developing mindset in this country to hold someone or something else responsible for an act other than the person who actually commits it. How many people died last week because their murderers drank too much coffee?
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