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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think this is a case of overreacting to a situation by arguing for a solution that would have terrible unintended consequences. How do you think this would play out in real life? If a girl cheated on a guy and left him, prompting him to jump off a bridge, should she be charged with manslaughter?
    5 young people have killed themselves over the last 3 weeks due to being bullied because of their sexual orientation. Conservatives like yourself like to forget that the law of unintended consequences works both ways, for action or inaction. Right now, the unintended consequences of doing nothing seem pretty steep.

    As far as your example, I cited that there needs to be a clear "intent" and "means" provided. So no, she would not.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think that's insane and that any groups that make that argument will suffer a massive credibility hit.
    Oh, it certaiinly is not comparable. Tying someone to fence, beating them, and then leaving them to die of exposure is not the same videoing someone without their consent and broadcasting it to others. And I doubt that Revi is going to quote Scriptures on the stand as a justification for his actioins like one of Shepard's killers did. But the outrage is nonetheless similar.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    5 young people have killed themselves over the last 3 weeks due to being bullied because of their sexual orientation. Conservatives like yourself like to forget that the law of unintended consequences works both ways, for action or inaction. Right now, the unintended consequences of doing nothing seem pretty steep.
    And you think that passing a law that would criminalize a massive swath of indeterminate behavior would have prevented those deaths?

    As far as your example, I cited that there needs to be a clear "intent" and "means" provided. So no, she would not.
    The intent and means in my hypothetical are identical to or worse than the intent and means in this case. Either your proposed law would affect both or neither.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And you think that passing a law that would criminalize a massive swath of indeterminate behavior would have prevented those deaths?
    I haven't actually proposed any law, just my thoughts on what constitutes legal culpabilty in these matters. I believe they are currently working on a new cyberbullying law in New Jersey and across the nation they are challenging schools to confront bullyng in all its forms. That alone makes me happy.

    The intent and means in my hypothetical are identical to or worse than the intent and means in this case. Either your proposed law would affect both or neither.
    I conceded that I was unsure that there were any means in Clementi's case several posts back. That is why I said I'm not a 100% of their legal culpability.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I'm just going to give you a cheesy internet hug and tell you I'm sorry for your loss.
    Thanks, I appreciate it. Even though this was years ago, it never left me. But I think I came to appreciate the small things in life more. Take every moment for what it is.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Fortunately for these two, that's not the legal standard for involuntary manslaughter (or anything, really).
    Thanks. It just breaks my heart. Hell reading this thread breaks my heart
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    While I appreciate your compassion, I have to disagree that a bullying atmosphere is still grounds to charge them with murder. He attended that school, lived in that particular dormitory, and associated with those particular people by choice. If he wasn't finding acceptance and belonging among them, there are countless other circles of friends to find his way among.

    Only he had the power to jump off that bridge. No one pushed him, inadverently or otherwise, off of it. He did that to himself. There is ZERO grounds for holding these kids accountable for anything other than invasion of privacy.
    But he had went to them to try to get changed rooms so he would not have to deal with them
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Yeah, looking at the boy's history, it's obvious "crappy parenting" is to blame.
    Someone ought to prosecute the parents of the dead kid.
    I am not calling his parents crappy... the other kids parents that did the filming and just most parents in general. Go spark controversy somewhere else...
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    5 young people have killed themselves over the last 3 weeks due to being bullied because of their sexual orientation. Conservatives like yourself like to forget that the law of unintended consequences works both ways, for action or inaction. Right now, the unintended consequences of doing nothing seem pretty steep.

    As far as your example, I cited that there needs to be a clear "intent" and "means" provided. So no, she would not.
    Quit right there. You have no idea why they committed suicide but to pretend homosexuals are so fragile that bullying will always be the catalyst in a suicide is insulting.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Quit right there. You have no idea why they committed suicide but to pretend homosexuals are so fragile that bullying will always be the catalyst in a suicide is insulting.
    If homosexuals and heterosexuals were on equal playing ground you would have a point. However, there is still a huge stigma attached to homosexuality for many. People are still being cast aside by family and friends for coming out.

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