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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think that's too far. Charge them with an invasion of privacy and leave it at that. They were not responsible for that kid jumping off a bridge. Only he had that power over himself.
    If they had not did what they did? He would probably still be alive and I suspect Rutgers will have a lawsuit on their hands since he went to them and they did Nothing. The more I read about this? The sadder I become
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If they had not did what they did? He would probably still be alive
    Fortunately for these two, that's not the legal standard for involuntary manslaughter (or anything, really).
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think that's too far. Charge them with an invasion of privacy and leave it at that. They were not responsible for that kid jumping off a bridge. Only he had that power over himself.
    As much as it pains me to agree, I have to under the avaiable evidence. I think they should still be charged with invasion of privacy but I imagine these kids have already been traumatized enough by their actions. This was an act of immaturity and while they appeared to play into an anti gay bias, I don't think this was entirely motivated by it. These were kids bringing a high school mentality into a college environment and they were seeking to appear cool by publicly embarrassing someone else. For all I can tell, they weren't even bullying him because for all they knew, he was unaware that he was being watched through the webcam. It could have, and may have, escalated into bullying, but that is yet to be seen.

    If it is clear later that this escalated into outright bullying then there is more grounds to hold them accountable for his suicide. Bullying can lead to people taking their own lives. As much as the "personal responsibility" line is touted, if an environment is made hostile and emotionally aversive enough, it can drive a person to suicide. Acceptance and belonging are basic human needs as much as water and food are and we would die without them.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If they had not did what they did? He would probably still be alive and I suspect Rutgers will have a lawsuit on their hands since he went to them and they did Nothing. The more I read about this? The sadder I become
    I highly doubt he would still be alive. The kid was pretty mentally upset and it just seems this was his breaking point. The sad part is even if he didn't successful kill himself this time, chances are he would have done it again.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I heard today that the prosecutor wants to treat this as a hate crime, due to evidence surfacing that showed the crime being done because of the victim being gay. If that happens, then those kids are looking at double the prison time. Not sure if that is appropriate, but IMHO, what they did is nearly the same as involuntary manslaughter. Of course, it's not exactly the same, but there should definitely be punishment here.
    One would have to prove this is the cause of his suicide first.

    Even then, he was the one who killed himself.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    One would have to prove this is the cause of his suicide first.

    Even then, he was the one who killed himself.
    Actually, it has nothing to do with his suicide.

    The crime was invasion of privacy. That penalty for that crime can be doubled if it was motivated by bias.

    People keep making the mistake of attributing the consequences these kids are facing to his suicide. The consequences are for setting up a webcam and broadcasting images of him without his knowledge. Furthermore, there is evidence based on comments Revi made that his reasons for doing so were because his roommate is gay.

    Whether his roommate committed suicide or not, he could have faced the same set of charges.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    I was incredibly shocked when i read this. What a horrible loss, not just for there families, but for everybody on this Earth that has worked hard to create an equal, accepting and open society where people are not victimized for being something they cannot help being.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    If they had not did what they did? He would probably still be alive and I suspect Rutgers will have a lawsuit on their hands since he went to them and they did Nothing.
    But he likely still would have been suicidal. The night before my dad took his own life he attended a retirement banquet for my mother. That morning he dropped her off at work (She was wrapping up a long teaching career) and returned a dead battery to PepBoys so he could get a refund on the core charge. He apparently had a heated argument with my uncle, went home, and hanged himself in the master bedroom of my parents' home. I guess we should have charged my uncle with murder then, eh? Instead of coming to the realization after the fact that my dad was suffering from depression and didn't need much of an excuse to just end it all? We thought it was pointless to try to assign blame. No one else killed him. He killed himself. It happened and that's it. We picked up the pieces and moved on.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    I was incredibly shocked when i read this. What a horrible loss, not just for there families, but for everybody on this Earth that has worked hard to create an equal, accepting and open society where people are not victimized for being something they cannot help being.
    When it comes to suicide, it's better to not try to use logic. Otherwise, one might come to the conclusion that Tyler Clementi placed his own selfish need above the anguish his act--and it was his act--would bring to his family and friends.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Fortunately for these two, that's not the legal standard for involuntary manslaughter (or anything, really).
    Isn't that essentially the standard for Felony Murder, though?


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