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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm pretty sure that recording someone without their permission - especially in a sexual act - and distributing that video online is some kind of criminal act.

    Jall, I have to disagree with you. What happened at your dorm was embarrassing but it wasn't lasting. Video taping someone secretly in a sexual act and then distributing it is taking it to a whole other level of violation. I know technology in the modern world has blurred the privacy boundary, but are we just supposed to shrug this off and chalk it all up to the suicidal guy being unstable?

    Maybe no one close to him knew he was gay, like his family or community back home? You of all people should know how devastating it can be to be outed against your will. It's ethically wrong to do that to someone; this took it a step further by violating his body by broadcasting it to the world.
    There is no evidence that there was a recording. There was a livestream, it wasn't a mass distribution, only a limited number of people saw it. Both parties have admitted that only kissing took place on camera, if that is a sexual act then public areas just got a whole lot more risqué.

    The most that these kids can be charged with is a minor violation of privacy. Remember the stream only went out ONCE, the kid intended for it to go out again but it never did. Having a livestream of two guys kissing without their knowledge is a minor offence at best.

    You guys keep focusing on the buzzwords of the articles and not the facts. It was not recorded, what was seen was not sexual, it was not a mass distribution on the web.
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    Here's the thing, folks. You know the old saying "the straw that breaks the camel's back"? Well, we all know that it isn't actually the straw that does the trick, but the 400 other things on the camel's back that did the real damage. The straw just seems like the cause because it is the last thing we remember. This kid had problems. The prank was unfortunate, and perhaps mean (to some), but it was a prank. These kids are not responsible for Tyler's suicide. I've deal with scores of suicides and I have never seen anyone powerful enough to FORCE someone to take their own life. Tyler made the decision based on his personal reaction to what occurred. The only thing the other kids are guilty of is choosing the wrong person to prank, not knowing how Tyler would have taken it, and any legal issues with posting what they did on the internet. There of internal conflict and distress that goes into suicide, but more important than what someone else does to the individual is how that individual TAKES what was done.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm pretty sure that recording someone without their permission - especially in a sexual act - and distributing that video online is some kind of criminal act.

    Jall, I have to disagree with you. What happened at your dorm was embarrassing but it wasn't lasting. Video taping someone secretly in a sexual act and then distributing it is taking it to a whole other level of violation. I know technology in the modern world has blurred the privacy boundary, but are we just supposed to shrug this off and chalk it all up to the suicidal guy being unstable?

    Maybe no one close to him knew he was gay, like his family or community back home? You of all people should know how devastating it can be to be outed against your will. It's ethically wrong to do that to someone; this took it a step further by violating his body by broadcasting it to the world.
    Umm, it said that he asked his roommate if he could bring a guy back to the room. I don't see that as him being very closeted to start with. Plus, it wasn't video taped. It was streamed to some people on a twitter list. And they weren't having sex...they were kissing.

    He seriously over reacted to it. Was it a violation of his privacy? Yeah. Was it the end of the world and worth jumping off a bridge over? Not to any healthy, sane person. I think that people are focusing too much on the end of the trail instead of all the things that brought the journey to this point on in the first place.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Jall, I have to disagree with you. What happened at your dorm was embarrassing but it wasn't lasting. Video taping someone secretly in a sexual act and then distributing it is taking it to a whole other level of violation. I know technology in the modern world has blurred the privacy boundary, but are we just supposed to shrug this off and chalk it all up to the suicidal guy being unstable?
    Given that the guy had an account at a website where he streamed video of himself naked, it seems unlikely that the fact that a video of him kissing a guy might have been seen by a few people would be the thing to cause him to go nuts.
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    I wonder if him being forced out of the closet led to his suicide? Maybe the fear of being harassed for being a homosexual? I think there may be deeper issues here. Regardless, I don't believe the ones who recorded him should be punished for his suicide.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Given that the guy had an account at a website where he streamed video of himself naked, it seems unlikely that a video of him kissing a guy might have been seen by a few people would be the thing to cause him to go nuts.
    Well, it might have triggered something, but his response to it indicates that there was a lot more going on with him than just this situation.

    I have a contact or two at Rutgers. Because of confidentiality, they may be unwilling to tell me anything, but I'll give it a shot early in the week.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Given that the guy had an account at a website where he streamed video of himself naked, it seems unlikely that the fact that a video of him kissing a guy might have been seen by a few people would be the thing to cause him to go nuts.
    And he did that under his real name?

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I wonder if him being forced out of the closet led to his suicide? Maybe the fear of being harassed for being a homosexual? I think there may be deeper issues here. Regardless, I don't believe the ones who recorded him should be punished for his suicide.
    That could have been a/the trigger. I would be interested in knowing whether he was "out" and if so, how "out" he was.
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    That could have been a/the trigger. I would be interested in knowing whether he was "out" and if so, how "out" he was.
    That's what I'm thinking too. Judging by the fact that he was making out with another man shows he was out to some degree, but definitely not open. I think the fear of being harassed and the shock of everyone knowing he is gay may have been the trigger or at least a factor in his decision to suicide. Maybe he also feared rejection from his family or friends over being a homosexual. I do think there were deeper issues, but this event led to a suicidal cascade. It's a shame, honestly I think many would side with him and condemn those who recorded him.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    My thoughts are that their actions KILLED this man. Murder.

    While it may not be a bloody murder? Its Murder via mental contact!
    If this was the catalyst as you claimed, how do you explain the postings he made?

    "And so I feel like it was 'look at what a fag my roommate is,'" the cit2mo post said. "Other people have commented on his profile with things like 'how did you manage to go back in there? 'are you ok?'" The user also pointed out that people seemed to focus on his encounter, instead of the roommate's spying.

    "...i mean come on...he was SPYING ON ME....do they see nothing wrong with this?" the post said.

    At that point, the cit2mo message indicated that he had decided to fill out a form requesting a room change....
    In previous posts on the same thread, cit2mo described his research into his school's privacy policy, and noted it said that recording someone in a place where they would expect privacy could result in expulsion.

    "The only things is...there are too many 'could's ....the fact that he didn't ACTUALLY record me (to my knowledge) and the fact that the school really prolly won't do much of anything...."

    He said he'd mention the incident to his RA before writing, "and yah, revenge never ends well for me, as much as I would love to pour pink paint all over his stuff.....that would just let him win....."


    He asked for help, contemplated further action and never once made reference to his emotional state. These are not the actions of someone contemplating suicide.

    We are missing many factors here to blame those 2 kids for his decision. Its not something you can hand a form to someone to fill out and expect to make a credible diagnosis.
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