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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is what I find all the more intriguing about this. There is no way for knowing for sure what was broadcasted.
    The victim said "he went into somebody else’s room and remotely turned on his webcam and saw me making out with a guy. given the angle of the webcam I can be confident that that was all he could have seen." I'm sure it's possible that the guy was wrong, but that's the best information we have available.

    I doubt the police would have arrested them had it simply been kissing. I don't know the law in New Jersey, but I believe it is only illegal if it is pornographic.
    What is actually a crime according to the law and what the police will arrest you for are two very different things. Given the circumstances of this case, they were getting arrested no matter what actually happened. It probably didn't help that the media was blasting "GAY SEX WEBCAM SPYING."
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The victim said "he went into somebody else’s room and remotely turned on his webcam and saw me making out with a guy. given the angle of the webcam I can be confident that that was all he could have seen." I'm sure it's possible that the guy was wrong, but that's the best information we have available.
    I'm not convinced. I don't think someone would jump off a bridge for simply getting outed for making out with a guy. Also, you seem to really want to give a lot of weight to what he posted on a gay chat site about his situation but the fact of the matter is he ended up dead. There is no reason to believe that he was being entirely honest about how much it bothered him or the precise details of what happened. I certainly front and pretend to be okay online all the time when I am emotionally upset. Most of the time, you would not be able to tell the difference. And I'm not always 100% honest with details when recanting a story if I feel it could end up being tracked back to me. Maybe he didn't want people on the gay site to go looking for any pornographic pictures of him that may have been leaked out onto the internet.

    The point is. Neither you nor I know all the details. It is no more fair to say, "it was just kissing" than "it was gay sex" at this point because there is not sufficient evidence to support either of those positions.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm not convinced. I don't think someone would jump off a bridge for simply getting outed for making out with a guy.
    Which is why I'm not jumping to conclusions about what happened here. I'm using the only bit of information we actually have, which is what he actually said. That's far more reliable than speculating about what he was actually thinking inside or creating elaborate scenarios about how things might have played out behind the scenes.

    Also, you seem to really want to give a lot of weight to what he posted on a gay chat site about his situation but the fact of the matter is he ended up dead. There is no reason to believe that he was being entirely honest about how much it bothered him or the precise details of what happened. I certainly front and pretend to be okay online all the time when I am emotionally upset. Most of the time, you would not be able to tell the difference. And I'm not always 100% honest with details when recanting a story if I feel it could end up being tracked back to me. Maybe he didn't want people on the gay site to go looking for any pornographic pictures of him that may have been leaked out onto the internet.
    And maybe the guy jumped because he was sad about something entirely unrelated. There's no evidence for that either, but evidence doesn't matter if we're just making things up.

    The point is. Neither you nor I know all the details. It is no more fair to say, "it was just kissing" than "it was gay sex" at this point because there is not sufficient evidence to support either of those positions.
    Evidence it was just kissing: 1) The victim said it was only kissing, and 2) The roommate said it was only kissing.
    Evidence it was gay sex: .....
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Evidence it was just kissing: 1) The victim said it was only kissing, and 2) The roommate said it was only kissing.
    Evidence it was gay sex: .....
    Then say that the victim and roommate indicated it was only kissing. Don't just assert that it was only kissing. For all we know, despite his best efforts to find cameras, his roommate may have succeeded in capturing him on webcam a second time.

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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Then say that the victim and roommate indicated it was only kissing. Don't just assert that it was only kissing.
    The only people who have any way of knowing what happened both indicated that it was only kissing. There is not a shred of evidence to indicate that it was anything other than kissing. I think it's reasonable to assume that it was probably only kissing.

    For all we know, despite his best efforts to find cameras, his roommate may have succeeded in capturing him on webcam a second time.
    Where are you getting this stuff from? The story is tragic enough as it is without making up additional facts.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

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    Suicide is the most selfish and weak minded reaction there is.


    No it's not. It's your life. Everyone has a different limit on what they can take. There is nothing wrong with commiting suicide when you can't take life anymore.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
    No it's not. It's your life. Everyone has a different limit on what they can take. There is nothing wrong with commiting suicide when you can't take life anymore.
    Except the pain and grief the dead persons family has to go through, the trauma of guilt some feel, and the fiscal costs of funerals etc. Suicide is inherently selfish, no matter how you paint it.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Except the pain and grief the dead persons family has to go through, the trauma of guilt some feel, and the fiscal costs of funerals etc. Suicide is inherently selfish, no matter how you paint it.
    It's more selfish to guilt trip someone out of suicide than it is let them them decide. It's more selfish to attempt to force one to live just because you can't come to terms with them being in control of their life to include their death.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Aslo, not everyone has loved ones.
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    Re: Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Darwinism at work.

    I don't know how he felt before he jumped off the bridge, but I'll bet he was having some serious second thought after he jumped off the bridge.
    Wow that is really immature and callous statement.

    Now I know why I rarely agree with your posts.

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