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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well if you'd listen to some of the conservatives around here, you might think literally nothing is more important than an American job. What? You can't write a law banning the dumping of deadly chemicals directly into the school lunchroom at the local high school, the extra expense of waste disposal will cost jobs!
    That's why I don't listen to some of the conservatives around here. I don't know what is so magic about stuff that is made in the US. I'm not sure there even is such a thing any more.

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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    Just because they can impose tariffs doesn't mean that the tide is turning. China is still the source of our wealth because it gives us more room for profitable markup, so the government is not going to impose too many obstacles to that. It could be a good step toward restoring domestic manufacturing though, if done correctly, and if the desire is there. I'm not sure if the service based model we are gradually shifting toward is really to our long term benefit.

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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well if you'd listen to some of the conservatives around here, you might think literally nothing is more important than an American job. What? You can't write a law banning the dumping of deadly chemicals directly into the school lunchroom at the local high school, the extra expense of waste disposal will cost jobs!
    Pretty much. But they don't seem to have a general problem with job-killing cuts. What happens when you lay off lots of middle class high MPS government workers? They cut their spending. Amusingly, some of the GOP are attacking Obama for actually moving towards market principles. Vitter came out against Obama's plan for the free market to run the space transportation part of NASA rather then the government do it. He said it would cost lots of jobs. Amusingly how they change their tone when it is their district on the line. Obama can't cut! It will cost my district jobs!
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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If the tariffs are high enough it will encourage manufacturers to move to the US thus creating more jobs. Are trying to argue that no one made anything in the US before companies found it easy to outsource left and right to china, India and other countries? Are you trying to say that we always imported **** from China in huge quantities?

    If there are very few jobs and many Americans on are welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing and so on then the last thing Americans need to be doing is spending money on luxuries and other non-essential goods.
    The economic damage done by any raises in the cost of any good and services would have an almost instant effect in the economy and any increase in or new manufacturing would much slower in coming.

    Also we are members of the WTO which is opposed to any Tariff increases and they also have issues anytime we and some others try to show preferences to our manufacturing companies.

    We have got to reduce the wild and crazy spending of money we don't have one programs that don't work and cut taxes for those who do 90% of the hiring and start all new businesses and expand others.

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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Whose job is more important?
    My job, which I'm already employed or a potential job as a steel maker?
    Employing Chinese workers or employing American workers just so your company can have steel? I think I will choose American workers.

    Steel made in the U.S. is of higher quality, unnecessary for the applications, that my company needs.
    You are telling me that your company can not buy recycled steel or add another metal to it in order to stretch it out or make it a lesser quality of steel?
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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    Not like this will ever get past the Senate. Is it not De Mint that has an automatic hold on everything proposed?
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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    I support the application of pressure on the Chinese government, but I think it will have little effect. The increase of rates of wages in China over time will do more to even the playing field than tariffs. Also, China will never allow US agro products until subsidies end, this is another area of contention between the two governments.

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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    It's maybe OK to do so, in order to account for the difference in environmental and labor laws essentially.
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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Pretty much. But they don't seem to have a general problem with job-killing cuts. What happens when you lay off lots of middle class high MPS government workers? They cut their spending. Amusingly, some of the GOP are attacking Obama for actually moving towards market principles. Vitter came out against Obama's plan for the free market to run the space transportation part of NASA rather then the government do it. He said it would cost lots of jobs. Amusingly how they change their tone when it is their district on the line. Obama can't cut! It will cost my district jobs!

    Well, taken literally, shifting the burden of what NASA, does is technically unconstitutional. Last time I checked, foreign affairs was handled by the US Federal Government, particularly the executive branch.


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    Re: House Votes to Impose Tariffs on Chinese Goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well, taken literally, shifting the burden of what NASA, does is technically unconstitutional. Last time I checked, foreign affairs was handled by the US Federal Government, particularly the executive branch.


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    Actually, all foreign treaties are purview of the Senate. However for decades the Senate has gave the President "fast-track" powers in order to pass the buck and skirt any responsibility for free-trade agreements with constituents.

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