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Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

Chappy said:
Meg Whitman is the victim in this episode? That's rich! She receives nine years of loyal service and when her employee asks for help Meg Whitman discards her like so much disposable Ebay crap.
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What, she was supposed to violate the law and her own campaign statements, and keep "nicky" as a employee (indirectly, I think, seeing as there was some 3rd party company involved)?

What would you have had Whitman do?
 
The Prof said:
obviously because the whore was trying to rip off the illegal by paying her 23 an hour while simultaneously exploiting the system by paying all her payroll taxes
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Obviously not, since the greedy grubber Whitman can't prove she withheld any taxes on a W-4, and she still owes her housekeeper for the hours she worked before she fired her.
 
Moot said:
Obviously not, since the greedy grubber Whitman can't prove she withheld any taxes on a W-4, and she still owes her housekeeper for the hours she worked before she fired her.
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You do realize that the fact that the they sent whitman a not match letter (and according to Allred many letters) means that she was actually paying the appropriate taxes?

Now, I realize that both Allred and the maid have a very long and documented history of lying, so believing them might be risky. But, since you are apparently at a point where you believe everything they say, you should also believe them when they state that the maid saw many lettters in the trash.
 
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buck said:
You do realize that the fact that the they sent whitman a not match letter (and according to Allred many letters) means that she was actually paying the appropriate taxes?

Now, I realize that both Allred and the maid have a very long and documented history of lying, so believing them might be risky. But, since you are apparently at a point where you believe everything they say, you should also believe them when they state that the maid saw many lettters in the trash.
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Then why doesn't Whitman just show her copies of Nicky's W-4s????? If she had been subtracting taxes from Nicky's wages then she would have the W-4s to prove it. Why is that so difficult?
 
Moot said:
Then why doesn't Whitman just show her copies of Nicky's W-4s????? If she had been subtracting taxes from Nicky's wages then she would have the W-4s to prove it. Why is that so difficult?
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Because it's not necessary for most people. Most people realize that the reason they sent her the not match letter is because she was paying the proper taxes but they couldn't match that money to the ID that Nicki provided. You seem to be one of the few that actually think this is a relevant topic.

It's kind of like the people that claim that Obama should his birth certificate to prove he was born in HI. People that believe that Obama was not born in the US and people (you) that believe Meg didn't pay proper taxes, even though the not match letter is saying that she did actually pay them, are well on the edges of political discourse. In other words, they are kooks. Welcome to kookdom, my friend.
 
buck said:
Because it's not necessary for most people. Most people realize that the reason they sent her the not match letter is because she was paying the proper taxes but they couldn't match that money to the ID that Nicki provided. You seem to be one of the few that actually think this is a relevant topic.

It's kind of like the people that claim that Obama should his birth certificate to prove he was born in HI. People that believe that Obama was not born in the US and people (you) that believe Meg didn't pay proper taxes, even though the not match letter is saying that she did actually pay them, are well on the edges of political discourse. In other words, they are kooks. Welcome to kookdom, my friend.
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If Whitman was innocent then why doesn't she just show Nicki's W-4s???? Nicki couldn't have thrown those away because they had to be filled out by the employer and copies made. So your analogy to Obama's birth certificant is stupid and irrelevant, because unlike the braindead birthers, no one on the left could or would dispute Nicki's W-4 statements if in fact they even exist. So show us money, hunny bunny.
 
Chappy said:
Meg Whitman is the victim in this episode? That's rich! She receives nine years of loyal service and when her employee asks for help Meg Whitman discards her like so much disposable Ebay crap.
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I tend to disassociate myself from criminals, too. Meg Whitman received good housekeeping with a side of lies, fraud, and deceit. :shrug:
 
Moot said:
Obviously not, since the greedy grubber Whitman can't prove she withheld any taxes on a W-4, and she still owes her housekeeper for the hours she worked before she fired her.
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As long as the IRS confirms that the taxes were paid by Whitman, I am fine with that. :shrug:
 
buck said:
Because it's not necessary for most people. Most people realize that the reason they sent her the not match letter is because she was paying the proper taxes but they couldn't match that money to the ID that Nicki provided. You seem to be one of the few that actually think this is a relevant topic.
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You seem to be the one going out on a limb trying to make this fabricated story of Whitman's a reality. Why would Whitman ignore the letter from the SSA that claimed the SSN didn't match the name and continue to pay taxes for 9 years? That, for someone running for Governor sounds like sheer stupidity!

It's kind of like the people that claim that Obama should his birth certificate to prove he was born in HI. People that believe that Obama was not born in the US and people (you) that believe Meg didn't pay proper taxes, even though the not match letter is saying that she did actually pay them, are well on the edges of political discourse. In other words, they are kooks. Welcome to kookdom, my friend.
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The Birther conspiracy is kookdom, because Bush/Cheney turned over the keys to the White House, and Congress accepted Obama - just minor indications that he is not alien born. The story on Whitman is not anywhere a conspiracy. There is a maid, she worked for 9 years for Whitman, she doesn't speak English well, and Whitman wasn't able to figure out that she might be undocumented?

The ones that are in kookdom here are the ones that are trying to buy her story as credible. Nice to make your acquaintance.
 
jallman said:
As long as the IRS confirms that the taxes were paid by Whitman, I am fine with that. :shrug:
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Heh,heh! The IRS is going to show that someone else with the SSN provided by Whitman's maid paid taxes, not her - remember, the SSN the maid provided, the Soc Sec Admin had registered to another person. If Whitman was paying taxes, they were being credited to the person that the SSA had as owner of the SSN!
 
mertex said:
You seem to be the one going out on a limb trying to make this fabricated story of Whitman's a reality. Why would Whitman ignore the letter from the SSA that claimed the SSN didn't match the name and continue to pay taxes for 9 years? That, for someone running for Governor sounds like sheer stupidity!
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No idea. However, we do know, since the not match letter was sent, that she obviously paid all relevant taxes for the maid. If they were sent every year, as Alred claims Nicki said, then she paid them every year. Lastly, the immigration attorney working for the maid indicates that all taxes have been paid. He said this hoping that it would help with her citizenship quest.



The story on Whitman is not anywhere a conspiracy. There is a maid, she worked for 9 years for Whitman, she doesn't speak English well, and Whitman wasn't able to figure out that she might be undocumented?

The ones that are in kookdom here are the ones that are trying to buy her story as credible. Nice to make your acquaintance.
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I've heard Nicki speak, and she spoke english just fine. However, if I am to understand you, we should all just assume that anyone that doesn't speak english perfectly is an illegal alien. So, in your world, any hispanic with an accent, even with an I9, driver's license, social security card, etc should be rejected for employment?

The Birther conspiracy is kookdom, because Bush/Cheney turned over the keys to the White House, and Congress accepted Obama - just minor indications that he is not alien born.
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Obama shows his short form birth certificate. Just as Alred shows the not match letter and Whitman shows the documentation for the maid.

The short form BC would, to most people, indicate that obama was indeed born in HI. The not match letter and other documents would, to most people, show that she had been paying the relevant taxes. Alred's and the new immigration attorney's statements would just be additional evidence of this, just as the birth notices in the Hawiian newspapers are additional evidence of Obama's birth place.

In both instances you have indivduals outside the mainstream claiming that the documentation presented doesn't prove what it actually does.
 
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buck said:
No idea.
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It doesn't make sense that you would have a maid for 9 years and never know much about their background, their family? Supporters of Whitman claim that she is that type of person, doesn't get close to her employees - which would make one wonder if she would then be a good governor candidate.

And people do not generally ignore letters from Social Security or IRS, especially someone with employees. That, doesn't compute.

However, we do know, since the not match letter was sent, that she obviously paid all relevant taxes for the maid. If they were sent every year, as Alred claims Nicki said, then she paid them every year. Lastly, the immigration attorney working for the maid indicates that all taxes have been paid. He said this hoping that it would help with her citizenship quest.
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Can you provide a link where it says that she paid the taxes? The letter from SSA could have been sent for other reasons. If taxes were paid, I'm sure there will be documentation to prove it, and that would be the only thing that would make Whitman's story believable, otherwise, it is just hearsay.

I've heard Nicki speak, and she spoke english just fine. However, if I am to understand you, we should all just assume that anyone that doesn't speak english perfectly is an illegal alien. So, in your world, any hispanic with an accent, even with an I9, driver's license, social security card, etc should be rejected for employment?
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Don't go making stuff up. Where did I say that those that don't speak English well are illegal aliens? Someone applying for a housekeeper's job that doesn't speak English well raises a red flag. Whitman should have used that as an incentive to further check her out, but she didn't. Because schooling is mandatory in the US, most Americans should have a good handle on the English language - or should have a good reason as to why they don't.

Obama shows his short form birth certificate. Just as Alred shows the not match letter and Whitman shows the documentation for the maid.
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Hawaii officials have verified the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate, has the IRS and SSA verified that Whitman paid the appropriate taxes, that the maid did also?

The short form BC would, to most people, indicate that obama was indeed born in HI. The not match letter and other documents would, to most people, show that she had been paying the relevant taxes.
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Do you have a link to something that proves the SSA letter was in regards to taxes, or are you assuming?

Alred's and the new immigration attorney's statements would just be additional evidence of this, just as the birth notices in the Hawiian newspapers are additional evidence of Obama's birth place.
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What statements from Alred and immigration attorney are you referring to?

In both instances you have indivduals outside the mainstream claiming that the documentation presented doesn't prove what it actually does.
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Obama's case has been settled. Whitman's case is still under investigation, we will have to wait and see what develops.
 
mertex said:
It doesn't make sense that you would have a maid for 9 years and never know much about their background, their family? Supporters of Whitman claim that she is that type of person, doesn't get close to her employees - which would make one wonder if she would then be a good governor candidate.
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Yes, because my number one qualifier for a governor is that they get close to their employees.


Can you provide a link where it says that she paid the taxes? The letter from SSA could have been sent for other reasons. If taxes were paid, I'm sure there will be documentation to prove it, and that would be the only thing that would make Whitman's story believable, otherwise, it is just hearsay.
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So, why would the social security department send a letter indicating that they can't match the (taxes) with the employee if Meg didn't pay the mone ? Additionally, if she hadn't been paying taxes, I have no doubt the IRS would have been all over it by now. Do you really think the IRS wouldn't be aware? That's what tripped up all of the other individuals in that list someone else posted about cadidates that got caught up in illiegal immigrant scandals.

Don't go making stuff up. Where did I say that those that don't speak English well are illegal aliens? Someone applying for a housekeeper's job that doesn't speak English well raises a red flag. Whitman should have used that as an incentive to further check her out, but she didn't. Because schooling is mandatory in the US, most Americans should have a good handle on the English language - or should have a good reason as to why they don't.
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So you think she should have broken the law and engaged in racial profiling simply because she's a maid with brown skin and an accent? I'm just trying to pin down what you mean... BTW, you said it right here:
There is a maid, she worked for 9 years for Whitman, she doesn't speak English well, and Whitman wasn't able to figure out that she might be undocumented?
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What did you mean if not that because Nicki didn't speak english very well, Whitman should have suspected?


Hawaii officials have verified the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate, has the IRS and SSA verified that Whitman paid the appropriate taxes, that the maid did also?
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The social security department did by sending a letter indicating, essentially, that they didn't know where to place these earnings. The IRS is essentially backing that up with the fact that nothing has happened regarding accusations of Meg not paying the taxes.

What statements from Alred and immigration attorney are you referring to?
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For one, I would have to say the statement by the immigration attorney indicating that the fact that Nicki has paid all taxes is fairly convinving evidence that even the social security taxes have been paid. Otherwise, what do you think he might have meant by "all taxes"?
 
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My number one criteria for any politician: loyalty. Meg Whitman fails.
 
mertex said:
Heh,heh! The IRS is going to show that someone else with the SSN provided by Whitman's maid paid taxes, not her - remember, the SSN the maid provided, the Soc Sec Admin had registered to another person. If Whitman was paying taxes, they were being credited to the person that the SSA had as owner of the SSN!
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You obviously don't know how your taxes get paid. There will be a record of Meg Whitman or the agency she went through paying those taxes out as the employer.

So..Heh heh! :roll:
 
Chappy said:
My number one criteria for any politician: loyalty. Meg Whitman fails.
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My number 1 criteria for a politician is that they uphold the law. Meg Whitman is not at fault here. What is a massive fail is that this woman, a known fraud and illegal, hasn't been deported.
 
Chappy said:
My number one criteria for any politician: loyalty. Meg Whitman fails.
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Loyalty to ciminals? Sounds like you would have loved the chance to vote for Tony Rezko and Rod Blagojevich. Even Nixon showed loyalty to his people.
 
so THIS is what has become of the democrat campaign for governor of CA---w4 forms!

LOL!

meanwhile, unemployment statewide is 12.5%

foreclosures are among the nation's leaders, despite the fact that our economy is as broad and diverse as all america

sacto is totally solution-bereft, has been for a decade, as all our residents desperately watch their once golden state slip inevitably into the ocean

ab32, forerunner and early model for cap and trade, contemplates the imposition of killer taxes, fines and fees on ENERGY---both production and consumption---based on bogus exaggerations of doom from the politically corrupt air resources board

the central valley, formerly the finest farmland in the 48, is dying, 30% out of work, forcefully and willfully deprived of life giving water on behalf of some stupid smelt in the delta

our schools are a catastrophe, youth on youth violence is ripping apart communities from richmond to east la

our borders are broken, our biggest cities declare themselves sanctuaries, our prisons are bursting

our freeways are parking lots, many of our best producers spend 12 hours a week commuting

our budget is bankrupt, our politicians have given up, we have been leaderless since ahnold got his arse kicked by the nurses in the 05 special

due to obamacare, medicaid has been expanded by several million with no federal funding, we are totally on the hook and alone

are pensions are poison, our municipalities are as upside down as our state budget

and moonbeam, who well earned his appellation during a long career of prominent public posturing, calls ms whitman a whore and demands w4's that have already been made public

pathetic
 
buck said:
Yes, because my number one qualifier for a governor is that they get close to their employees.
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A governor that has no interest in his most personal employees most likely will have no interest in the regular folk of his state. Maybe you are okay with that, most people want a governor that cares enough about people. Knowing that they are not even interested in their closest employees would not sit well.

So, why would the social security department send a letter indicating that they can't match the (taxes) with the employee if Meg didn't pay the mone ? Additionally, if she hadn't been paying taxes, I have no doubt the IRS would have been all over it by now. Do you really think the IRS wouldn't be aware? That's what tripped up all of the other individuals in that list someone else posted about cadidates that got caught up in illiegal immigrant scandals.
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The SSA said the SSN number submitted was registered to a different name. They sent another letter, and Whitman ignored both?

The maid also took vacation time and told Whitman she could not return to Mexico during her vacations. Wouldn't that also raise a red flag?


So you think she should have broken the law and engaged in racial profiling simply because she's a maid with brown skin and an accent? I'm just trying to pin down what you mean... BTW, you said it right here:
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My statement just states the fact that she didn't speak English well, and that would have caused Whitman to question her background. That in no way indicates that all people that don't speak English well are undocumented, but if they are legal Americans they usually have a good reason for not speaking English well. And considering Whitman's position on illegal hiring, there is no excuse for her to be complacent in her own situation.

What did you mean if not that because Nicki didn't speak english very well, Whitman should have suspected?
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It is mandatory for American kids to go to school, where they learn English. Anyone that doesn't speak English well is either from another country or dropped out of school before they learned it, and most likely have parents that speak a different language. They don't have to be illegal, but it would certainly raise a red flag, and someone in Whitman's position, as much as she has spoken out against hiring illegals would have been more sensitive to it.

The social security department did by sending a letter indicating, essentially, that they didn't know where to place these earnings. The IRS is essentially backing that up with the fact that nothing has happened regarding accusations of Meg not paying the taxes.
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I haven't seen any information where the IRS is backing up that she paid taxes.
Even if she did, the fact that the SSN was questioned should have been investigated by the employer, Whitman. It is all rather confusing right now, because the immigration attorney is actually on the housekeeper's side and is trying to establish a good reason for her to remain in America. We will only know the truth once it is investigated further.

For one, I would have to say the statement by the immigration attorney indicating that the fact that Nicki has paid all taxes is fairly convinving evidence that even the social security taxes have been paid. Otherwise, what do you think he might have meant by "all taxes"?
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Like I said, it might not matter that she was paying taxes. Where were the taxes going if the the name registered for the maid's SSN was different?

Also, another question, if Meg Whitman is so against illegals being hired, how come she didn't report her? All she did was fire her?
 
jallman said:
You obviously don't know how your taxes get paid. There will be a record of Meg Whitman or the agency she went through paying those taxes out as the employer.

So..Heh heh! :roll:
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It might turn out that she paid taxes under an ITIN, after her SSN was identifed as belonging to a different name. According to this article, it is not uncommon for illegals to pay taxes even when they don't have a Social Security number.

Point being, the fact that she paid taxes does not signify that she was legal, and also, Whitman received two letters from SSA indicating that the SSN was registered to a different name, yet she wants us to believe she didn't read the letters?

As out-spoken as Whitman has been on hiring of illegals, her story appears a bit suspect.

Illegal aliens don't need to steal or make up a social security number to give to an employer. There is another less illegal way in which the Government issues them a number.

Step one:
- apply for a Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) from the IRS:
What is an ITIN?

An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. It is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, example 9XX-7X-XXXX.

IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).

ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have U.S. tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code.

Fred Fry International: How Illegal Aliens get a 'Social Security Number' in their own Name
 
jallman said:
My number 1 criteria for a politician is that they uphold the law. Meg Whitman is not at fault here. What is a massive fail is that this woman, a known fraud and illegal, hasn't been deported.
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Meg Whitman should have reported her, that would have been upholding the law.

Did Whitman report her when she found out that she was illegal? NO.

So much for Whitman not being at fault.
 
mertex said:
Meg Whitman should have reported her, that would have been upholding the law.

Did Whitman report her when she found out that she was illegal? NO.

So much for Whitman not being at fault.
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Ok, so the only thing you are upset with is that she didn't turn her in? Wouldn't you have then been screaming how unfeeling Whitman is to the plight of undocumented workers in CA at that point?

Tell us, will you be voting for Brown? Even after one of his staff members is heard on tape calling Whitman a "whore"?

Where's the money trail for Nicky's attorneys fees coming from? Who hired Alred? Who referred Nicky to her? Why won't Alred answer that?

Are you satisified that Brown wants this campaign decided on this distraction instead of telling Cali voters what he will do if elected?


j-mac
 
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