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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk...29_diaz_01.pdf

    SS card, W4, I9, and driver's license.

    If her docs were good enough to convince the state of CA to give her a drivers license, I think it would be absurd to blame Whitman for this. Pretty pathetic on Allred and Brown's part.

    edit: also, michael lohan wants a conservatorship for lindsay? crazy.
    Actually it is taken right out of the right wing hand book. The reason I say it is "right wing", is because they are the ones who successfully used the tactic over the last decade +, but both sides tries to use the tactic.

    Throw out an accusation and preferably one that a lot will listen too from the start... does not have to be true, but the media frenzy involved is enough for the population to get the "idea". After all the average citizen sees/read "Whitman had illegal alien employed" and get mad at Whitman. When the truth comes out most wont care because they have moved on to another sensational story and the stigmata of the original story sticks with Whitman. After all that is what the Switfboaters did and many others to other politicians. It can very well doom her candidacy... not fair but that is how politics is these days in certain countries.

    A more down to earth example, is the teenager claiming rape by a teacher or older man. The rape accusation sticks with many, despite the fact coming out she lied to get back at a man who she had a crush on and who brushed off her advances. The man accused life is pretty much over in the local area.
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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually it is taken right out of the right wing hand book. The reason I say it is "right wing", is because they are the ones who successfully used the tactic over the last decade +, but both sides tries to use the tactic.

    Throw out an accusation and preferably one that a lot will listen too from the start... does not have to be true, but the media frenzy involved is enough for the population to get the "idea". After all the average citizen sees/read "Whitman had illegal alien employed" and get mad at Whitman. When the truth comes out most wont care because they have moved on to another sensational story and the stigmata of the original story sticks with Whitman. After all that is what the Switfboaters did and many others to other politicians. It can very well doom her candidacy... not fair but that is how politics is these days in certain countries.

    A more down to earth example, is the teenager claiming rape by a teacher or older man. The rape accusation sticks with many, despite the fact coming out she lied to get back at a man who she had a crush on and who brushed off her advances. The man accused life is pretty much over in the local area.
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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    "Yea, this sucks, but you know what's worse? Republicans."
    No, hypocrites... and yes that is mostly the right these days.
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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    The Dems didn't run with this because the Dems are not as stupid as the mouthpieces of the right wing profess them to be. Disappointing, sure...but try to live with it.

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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    The Dems didn't run with this because the Dems are not as stupid as the mouthpieces of the right wing profess them to be. Disappointing, sure...but try to live with it.

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    Yea, they've just been ignoring it altogether.

    Meg Whitman's rival Jerry Brown is wasting no time making hay off her undocumented worker scandal -- saying the former maid has a "compelling story."

    In a news release, the Democratic candidate for governor of California said he wants Nicky Diaz Santillan to be "treated with respect and dignity as this story unfolds."

    Brown added, "After more than a year of Whitman demanding immigration policy that 'holds employers accountable,' we learn that accountability doesn't extend to her own actions."
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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I don't think she much cared about the person's legal status as long as they provided cheap labor.
    Niki was paid $23 an hour 15hrs a week whether she actually worked the whole 15 or not. She had paid vacations, paid maternity leave. She also had flexible hrs to where she could work when she wanted. I think an American would do that job.
    I watched the press conference and am convinced Meg Whitman did nothing wrong.
    The only thing close were the people who thought that with her means, she should have paid for an immigration attorney for the woman. Whitman said Niki lied to her for 9 yrs. had broken the law and she did what she felt was right. That was letting her go, not turning her into ICE, and not drawing attention to her.
    For those saying she only fired her because she was running for office is wrong. She joined the race in Feb. and didn't fire her until June.
    She hired a new maid from the same agency. She said the agency was not at fault and did everything possible to make sure their employees were legal. If the agency was fooled, how can anyone say Whitman should have been more thorough in checking her immigration status?
    Also when asked if she would take a poligraph, there was no hesitation when she she would be more than willing.
    Whitman came across very honest and made me think a lot more of her. I wasn't that impressed with her before. I hope stomps Jerry Brown.
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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    I didn't see this posted yet.

    It is very possible Whitman did not know her personal employee was illegal, but the story may damage her campaign anyway.


    Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper - Video - FoxNews.com
    If she knowingly hired an illegal and fired that illegal when when it became politically inconvenient then she pulled an Obama, of course unlike Obama the media hates anyone who is anti-illegal immigration. Of course if she hired her through a legitimate agency then one would assume that they did all the checks they were supposed to do and that these claims made by her former housekeeper are nothing more than a pissed off former employee with a grudge trying to ruin her former employer.
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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    Supposedly they received a letter about the housekeeper's possible illegality in 2003. The husband may or may not have actually written a note on that letter and given it to the housekeeper.

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    The problem with stories like this is that it doesn't even matter if they're true. People are reading these headlines now and that's what makes an impression. Even if retractions are later printed, they're buried on page 9e and nobody reads them anyway.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Supposedly they received a letter about the housekeeper's possible illegality in 2003. The husband may or may not have actually written a note on that letter and given it to the housekeeper.

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    Even that isn't really anything:

    Whitman within law, immigration lawyers say

    Whether or not Republican gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman received a letter from the Social Security Administration saying her former housekeeper's false documents did not match its records, Whitman did not act unlawfully by keeping the housekeeper employed, immigration lawyers said Thursday. In fact, had she gone ahead and fired Nicandra Diaz Santillan based on such a letter, she would have exposed herself to potential anti-discrimination violations, lawyers said.

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    Lawyers said an employer's obligation upon receiving a no-match letter from the Social Security Administration is to check their own records for typographical or other errors, inform the employee that the records do not match and tell the employee to correct them. "There is no additional legal obligation for an employer to follow up or respond to SSA with new information," said Gening Liao, a labor and employment attorney at the National Immigration Law Center in Los Angeles, which defends immigrants

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    Nor was Diaz under any obligation to pursue the matter, Liao said. Correcting a mismatch is "primarily for the benefit of the employee," she said, to make sure they can collect all the benefits due them for their work.
    ...

    The problem with stories like this is that it doesn't even matter if they're true. People are reading these headlines now and that's what makes an impression. Even if retractions are later printed, they're buried on page 9e and nobody reads them anyway.
    Completely true, which is of course what Allred was going for. One day after the story broke, SEIU put up a $5m spanish language ad buy to attack Whitman on it.
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    Re: Meg Whitman Refutes Allegations by Former Housekeeper

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Doesn't matter. The reason she might not have known that her housekeeper was illegal is because she probably broke the law. Let me explain - For more than 10 years, it has been a requirement for employers to verify that prospective employees are in the United States legally. This consists of completing an I-9 form on each and every employee that you hire. This also includes housekeepers. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and if Whitman did not verify her employee, before hiring her, she has no excuse either. In fact, she should know better. Wasn't she the CEO of a major company?
    Wait...Whitman went through an agency to hire the the nanny. I would imagine the agency was responsible for the verification of her documents.

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