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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!

    You actually figured this out on your own!?
    So Whitman did nothing wrong.

    Employers who knowingly hire illegals should be prosecuted.
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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    So Whitman did nothing wrong.

    Employers who knowingly hire illegals should be prosecuted.
    Gee, and I thought there might be some hope for you...

    Here, I'll spell it out nice and simple for you:

    Meg Whitman isn't campaigning to prosecute only those who KNOWINGLY hiring illegals.

    She wants to prosecute ANYONE that hires an illegal for ANY reason; whether they knew the person was illegal or not. You know, JUST LIKE HER.


    NOW do you get it? She's a hypocrite, and an ignorant one, at that.

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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Pre-hire, yeah. I've already said as much.

    The problem is that her "solution" is to prosecute the employer - whether or not the employer legitimately did everything possible to avoid hiring an illegal. She/the agency apparently DID do everything they could to avoid it, but they still failed. This shows that the problem goes FAR deeper than simply prosecuting those who hire illegals, because sometimes there's just no way to KNOW; there is a much larger problem with legitimate documentation.
    Sure there is, a national ID.

    I'm afraid this isn't a thread about Jerry Brown. It's about Meg Whitman's employing an illegal immigrant for nine years and not taking ANY kind of responsibility for her actions. The fact that she's running on a platform of "BUST ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS" is simply the icing on the hypocrisy cake.

    But Jerry Brown is exactly who this should be about. Unless you consider lying to the hispanic community to garner votes, and his utter hypocrisy to by ok? He, and his campaign including Gloria Allred opened this woman and her family up to a mess legally just so he could launch this negative attack for political gain....You condone that?


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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Gee, and I thought there might be some hope for you...

    Here, I'll spell it out nice and simple for you:

    Meg Whitman isn't campaigning to prosecute only those who KNOWINGLY hiring illegals.

    She wants to prosecute ANYONE that hires an illegal for ANY reason; whether they knew the person was illegal or not. You know, JUST LIKE HER.


    NOW do you get it? She's a hypocrite, and an ignorant one, at that.
    Nothing I can see that you posted so far has Whitman saying anything close to that, only your own misrepresentation of her position.


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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Gee, and I thought there might be some hope for you...

    Here, I'll spell it out nice and simple for you:

    Meg Whitman isn't campaigning to prosecute only those who KNOWINGLY hiring illegals.

    She wants to prosecute ANYONE that hires an illegal for ANY reason; whether they knew the person was illegal or not. You know, JUST LIKE HER.


    NOW do you get it? She's a hypocrite, and an ignorant one, at that.
    I can't find any law that says employers can be prosecuted or fined if they were supplied with all the proper documents.
    Are you saying Whitman wants them pay even if they did everything according to the law?
    Seems to me any employer who had all the documents but was lied to by the employee could sue somebody over it if they got fined.
    I believe the ones we want to prosecute are those who intentionally hire illegals for cheap labor.
    Otherwise, hispanics would have a very difficult time finding any kind of work.
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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    So Whitman did nothing wrong.

    Employers who knowingly hire illegals should be prosecuted.
    Either that is sarcasm or those two statements are independent from each other....

    Yes, Employers who hired illegals knowingly should be prosecuted, but Meg Whitman did not know she hired an illegal and when Whitman found out, Whitman fired her. Whitman is not obligated to report on her, so she didn't.
    We the People of the United States,... provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
    Where did it ever say, promote for the common defence, and provide the general Welfare..... Please don't mix up the two....

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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    Either that is sarcasm or those two statements are independent from each other....

    Yes, Employers who hired illegals knowingly should be prosecuted, but Meg Whitman did not know she hired an illegal and when Whitman found out, Whitman fired her. Whitman is not obligated to report on her, so she didn't.
    Whitman did nothing wrong. In fact she did everything right in my opinion. Right down to not turning her in. It shows she has a heart but not a bleeding heart to where she would continue to employ her after knowing the truth.
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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure there is, a national ID.
    Exactly. And why isn't Meg talking about this? Why is her position to simply prosecute those who hire illegals, regardless of their intentions?

    Until Ms. Whitman comes up with a legitimate explanation/solution, her campaign is doomed.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But Jerry Brown is exactly who this should be about.
    Once again, this is not a thread about Jerry Brown. Feel free to start one if the man is so important to you, otherwise, please stay on topic.

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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I can't find any law that says employers can be prosecuted or fined if they were supplied with all the proper documents.
    Are you saying Whitman wants them pay even if they did everything according to the law?
    She's NOT MAKING ANY DISTINCTION. This is why she's an idiot. She's not focusing on the ONE thing that would make her own situation less politically damaging - the fact that she followed the right steps to avoid hiring an illegal.

    Here are her official comments about the matter:

    From her website:
    Meg will oppose any attempt by the Legislature to weaken employer verification requirements.

    From a speech at UC Davis:
    We do have to hold employers accountable for hiring only documented workers, and we do have to enforce that law.

    From her campaign brochure:
    [To] institute a system where state and local law enforcement agencies conduct inspections of workplaces suspected of employing undocumented workers.

    At the Cal State Fresno debate:
    If we don't hold employers accountable, we will never get our arms around this [illegal immigration] problem.

    Do you see anything in there that gives an out to employers who find themselves in the same situation she's currently floundering around in?

    Of course, the issue of her not firing the woman once questions were raised, and not turning the woman in as soon as she knew, are additional problems for her politically - problems she's either incapable of or unwilling to address.

    It'll be her doom.

    Not that I really care. IMO, she's a moron.


    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Seems to me any employer who had all the documents but was lied to by the employee could sue somebody over it if they got fined.
    I believe the ones we want to prosecute are those who intentionally hire illegals for cheap labor.
    Otherwise, hispanics would have a very difficult time finding any kind of work.
    BINGO and congratulations: You're smarter than Meg Whitman.

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    Re: get out the Nutella. This chick's toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Exactly. And why isn't Meg talking about this? Why is her position to simply prosecute those who hire illegals, regardless of their intentions?

    Until Ms. Whitman comes up with a legitimate explanation/solution, her campaign is doomed.
    You are twisting Whitman's position. Can you please show where Whitman has called for what you claim?

    Once again, this is not a thread about Jerry Brown. Feel free to start one if the man is so important to you, otherwise, please stay on topic.
    Oh it is part of the topic, a part you may wish would not be discussed but never the less it is a part....

    Imagine my relief to know that Brown, our current Attorney General, was not involved in this matter, even though it is well within the “October Surprise” time frame and even though Whitman is currently in a statistical dead heat with Brown for the governor’s office and even though Brown and Allred are close friends and associates and even though Allred is a “Super-delegate” for the Democratic Party in California and even though Allred has monetarily supported Brown in past campaigns…

    Whitman maid scandal serves Brown too well - Letters to the Editor : The Orange County Register
    Allred has downplayed her ties to Brown. But to the Whitman campaign – which released a photograph of Allred and Brown at a C-SPAN panel in 1994 – the celebrity attorney is long-time supporter of the former governor and a partisan Democrat.

    Allred once worked on Brown campaign, but says maid case isn’t partisan | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment
    Gloria Allred, the attorney at the center of this week's spectacle over Meg Whitman's illegal immigrant housekeeper, spent time working for Jerry Brown's gubernatorial campaign in the mid-1970s, according to a decades-old article in an American Bar Association magazine.
    Allred has downplayed her ties to Brown. But to the Whitman campaign – which released a photograph of Allred and Brown at a C-SPAN panel in 1994 – the celebrity attorney is long-time supporter of the former governor and a partisan Democrat.

    Allred once worked on Brown campaign, but says maid case isn't partisan | California Watch
    Yep, nothing fishy there......


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