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Exactly. Southerners called Abe a liberal during the Civil War, so libs try to take credit for that, but you know what? Slavery would have eventually ended anyway in sometime during the 20th century because of the industrial revolution. And as for the civil rights movement, that was simply another example of the federal government exerting its power over states rights. All liberals have ever done is taken the right away from states to govern ourselves.

This is pretty funny. Good use of sarcasm. However, you really should use an emoticon to let folks know that this is tongue-in-cheek.

You can also add that to this list, that the Progressive agenda was responsible for ending child labor but that would have happened anyway because... I need some help here. They also put a stop to large monopolies that were stifling competition, but that would have happened anyway because... damn, I'm not very good at this. Help me out, will you? I could try to go on but I'm just not so good at coming up with these humorous dismissals of liberal accomplishments as you, so I'll leave it to the experts.
 
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This is pretty funny. Good use of sarcasm. However, you really should use an emoticon to let folks know that this is tongue-in-cheek.

You can also add that to this list, that the Progressive agenda was responsible for ending child labor but that would have happened anyway because... I need some help here. They also put a stop to large monopolies that were stifling competition, but that would have happened anyway because... damn, I'm not very good at this. Help me out, will you? I could try to go on but I'm just not so good at coming up with these humorous dismissals of liberal accomplishments as you, so I'll leave it to the experts.

what "progressive" issues do the libs push these days

lets see-class warfare

whining about the rich

trying to infect more and more private sector areas with governmental control

the American left is reactionary, parasitic and statist in that its solution to everything is more government control, more government confiscation of private wealth and more income redistribution
 
what "progressive" issues do the libs push these days

lets see-class warfare

whining about the rich

trying to infect more and more private sector areas with governmental control

the American left is reactionary, parasitic and statist in that its solution to everything is more government control, more government confiscation of private wealth and more income redistribution

Hell, even Warren Buffet says that there is a class war going on, and his side (the rich folks) are winning. Do you see Warren Buffet as being a liberal whiner?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/business/yourmoney/26every.html

Conservatives whine too. They whine about... well, everything. Mostly, that no one else gets it.

Given what the private sector did with the economy when they were left to look after themselves, I think that a little "infection" is called for. Do you seriously think that they wouldn't do it again if given the chance. The people who caused this disaster made a ton of money and it wasn't because of the bailout that Bush pushed through. The real culprits would have been OK with having their companies go under with the only losers being a) the economy and b) the shareholders who had invested their 401K like we were told to do by conservatives ("sure, privatize SS and dump it all into stocks").

You evidently don't know what "reactionary" means. You probably think that it means that they just react to things. However, "reactionary" means wanting to return to a previous state, and is used to refer to someone who is extremely conservative. I think that you mean that the left is "radical" which is the opposite of "reactionary". I wish you folks would learn what words mean before you try to hurt someone with them. That way, you wouldn't give the impression that you are an uneducated dolt lacking the ability to determine what anyone stands for and who needs FOX to give them sound-bytes to toss around like they know something.
 
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Hell, even Warren Buffet says that there is a class war going on, and his side (the rich folks) are winning. Do you see Warren Buffet as being a liberal whiner?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/business/yourmoney/26every.html

Conservatives whine too. They whine about... well, everything. Mostly, that no one else gets it.

Given what the private sector did with the economy when they were left to look after themselves, I think that a little "infection" is called for. Do you seriously think that they wouldn't do it again if given the chance. The people who caused this disaster made a ton of money and it wasn't because of the bailout that Bush pushed through. The real culprits would have been OK with having their companies go under with the only losers being a) the economy and b) the shareholders who had invested their 401K like we were told to do by conservatives ("sure, privatize SS and dump it all into stocks").

You evidently don't know what "reactionary" means. You probably think that it means that they just react to things. However, "reactionary" means wanting to return to a previous state, and is used to refer to someone who is extremely conservative. I think that you mean that the left is "radical" which is the opposite of "reactionary". I wish you folks would learn what words mean before you try to hurt someone with them. That way, you wouldn't give the impression that you are an uneducated dolt lacking the ability to determine what anyone stands for and who needs FOX to give them sound-bytes to toss around like they know something.

Buffett is a hypocrite and complains about paying lower tax rates (due to the CG tax rate) because he played games and made his earned income abnormally low so as to ingratiate himself with people who feel as you do

I do know what reactionary means and I really don't think you want to compare resumes
 
Buffett is a hypocrite and complains about paying lower tax rates (due to the CG tax rate) because he played games and made his earned income abnormally low so as to ingratiate himself with people who feel as you do

I do know what reactionary means and I really don't think you want to compare resumes

I'm not quite sure how calling Buffett a hypocrite equates to there not being, what is in effect, class warfare. Do you have a superior theory that would account for the survey results that are the topic of this thread? It's not that the difference between the top and the bottom is growing that is at issue, but the evaporation of the middle class that is the real symptom of a problem.

Since you know what reactionary means, then you know that "the American left is reactionary" is an oxymoronic phrase. Whom are you trying to confuse?

I'm not that interested about knowing that much about your personal life or background, but a resume smackdown with you doesn't scare me at all.
 
Obviously, it is you who are at fault. When Conservative posts data that he says shows that 1 + 1 = 3, he has a damn good reason and you should just accept it as fact rather than challenge the wisdom of his analysis.

Well, being that his logic was so skewed, and then he posted data that proved me right! Couldn't pass it up. I never heard a response - probably couldn't find anything on Google to prove why even though his data proved him wrong, he was still right!;)
 
You nuts? Tax rate cuts did increase govt. revenue as the U.S. Treasury shows. Also GDP growth and unemployment numbers between 2003-2007 refute the liberal rhetoric

I can't believe you are still hanging on to that fairy tale.
What happened in 2008 and 2009? They went down - were the tax cuts not in effect? Those two years refute the conservative rhetoric.

I suppose you have a good reason as to why they went down, other than that the same factors that cause it to go up naturally, worked in the opposite direction to make it go down.
 
Here's a most excellent article that pertains to the discussion at hand.....


Bush Tax Cuts Had Little Positive Impact on the Economy - TheFiscalTimes.com

"Republicans are heavily invested in permanently extending the tax cuts enacted during the George W. Bush administration, all of which expire at the end of this year exactly as the legislation was written in the first place. To hear Republicans, one would think that the Bush tax cuts were the most powerful stimulus to growth ever enacted and only a madman would even think of allowing any of them to expire.

The truth is that there is virtually no evidence in support of the Bush tax cuts as an economic elixir. To the extent that they had any positive effect on growth, it was very, very modest. Their main effect was simply to reduce the government’s revenue, thereby increasing the budget deficit, which all Republicans claim to abhor.

It’s worth remembering where the Bush tax cuts came from in the first place. In 1999, in the midst of one of the biggest economic booms in American history, then Texas Gov. Bush convened a group of Republican economists to draft a tax plan for him. Contrary to Ronald Reagan’s 1981 tax cut, which was a simple across-the-board marginal tax rate reduction, the Bush plan was a hodge-podge of tax gimmicks designed more to win the support of various voting blocs than stimulate growth....snip

No Reaganites praised the Bush plan; all favored something much bolder, such as the flat tax proposal that was being promoted by publisher Steve Forbes, who was challenging Bush for the Republican nomination. Rather than defend his proposal as one that would increase growth, Bush argued that its main purpose was simply to deplete the budget surplus, which had grown under President Bill Clinton to $126 billion in 1999. Surpluses were dangerous, Bush and his advisers repeatedly warned, because Congress might spend them.....snip

It’s hard even to find Republican economists who will defend Bush’s policies. Summing up the Bush years, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who was chief economist for the Council of Economic Advisers in Bush’s first term, had this to say in an interview with the Washington Post at the end of the Bush administration:

The expansion was a continuation of the way the U.S. has grown for too long, which was a consumer-led expansion that was heavily concentrated in housing. There was very little of the kind of saving and export-led growth that would be more sustainable. For a group that claims it wants to be judged by history, there is no evidence on the economic policy front that that was the view. It was all Band-Aids.

Harvard economist Dale Jorgenson, who is highly respected by supply-siders, put it more succinctly. When asked by The New York Times last year to name some positive aspects of Bush’s economic policies, he replied, “I don’t see any redeeming features, unfortunately.”...read


Bush's economic policy was considered a failure even by his own economic advisors, and now Republicans want to do a repeat. God help us.
 
I can't believe you are still hanging on to that fairy tale.
What happened in 2008 and 2009? They went down - were the tax cuts not in effect? Those two years refute the conservative rhetoric.

I suppose you have a good reason as to why they went down, other than that the same factors that cause it to go up naturally, worked in the opposite direction to make it go down.

When you get a job you will understand take home pay and know that tax cuts allow you to take home more of your pay. People today that are working are benefiting from the Bush tax cuts as their take home pay is higher. They aren't getting benefits from the Obama tax cut any more. Tax revenue is lower because of high unemployment, something Obama has done nothing to reduce and in fact has made it more expensive to hire. We had an election Tuesday that you have missed when the American people spoke in historic fashion. You probably ought to take the partisan hat off and figure out why there are 4 million more unemployed since Obama took office and on a month to month basis unemployment is higher this year than last year and it only cost the debt 3 trillion dollars.
 
Here's a most excellent article that pertains to the discussion at hand.....


Bush Tax Cuts Had Little Positive Impact on the Economy - TheFiscalTimes.com

"Republicans are heavily invested in permanently extending the tax cuts enacted during the George W. Bush administration, all of which expire at the end of this year exactly as the legislation was written in the first place. To hear Republicans, one would think that the Bush tax cuts were the most powerful stimulus to growth ever enacted and only a madman would even think of allowing any of them to expire.

The truth is that there is virtually no evidence in support of the Bush tax cuts as an economic elixir. To the extent that they had any positive effect on growth, it was very, very modest. Their main effect was simply to reduce the government’s revenue, thereby increasing the budget deficit, which all Republicans claim to abhor.

It’s worth remembering where the Bush tax cuts came from in the first place. In 1999, in the midst of one of the biggest economic booms in American history, then Texas Gov. Bush convened a group of Republican economists to draft a tax plan for him. Contrary to Ronald Reagan’s 1981 tax cut, which was a simple across-the-board marginal tax rate reduction, the Bush plan was a hodge-podge of tax gimmicks designed more to win the support of various voting blocs than stimulate growth....snip

No Reaganites praised the Bush plan; all favored something much bolder, such as the flat tax proposal that was being promoted by publisher Steve Forbes, who was challenging Bush for the Republican nomination. Rather than defend his proposal as one that would increase growth, Bush argued that its main purpose was simply to deplete the budget surplus, which had grown under President Bill Clinton to $126 billion in 1999. Surpluses were dangerous, Bush and his advisers repeatedly warned, because Congress might spend them.....snip

It’s hard even to find Republican economists who will defend Bush’s policies. Summing up the Bush years, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who was chief economist for the Council of Economic Advisers in Bush’s first term, had this to say in an interview with the Washington Post at the end of the Bush administration:

The expansion was a continuation of the way the U.S. has grown for too long, which was a consumer-led expansion that was heavily concentrated in housing. There was very little of the kind of saving and export-led growth that would be more sustainable. For a group that claims it wants to be judged by history, there is no evidence on the economic policy front that that was the view. It was all Band-Aids.

Harvard economist Dale Jorgenson, who is highly respected by supply-siders, put it more succinctly. When asked by The New York Times last year to name some positive aspects of Bush’s economic policies, he replied, “I don’t see any redeeming features, unfortunately.”...read


Bush's economic policy was considered a failure even by his own economic advisors, and now Republicans want to do a repeat. God help us.

The economic numbers say differently. I have never seen so much passion on the part of some when it comes to others keeping more of their own money. I suggest you check out the bureau of economic analysis to see economic growth during the Bush years after those tax cuts. Then go to the U.S. Treasury Dept and see the revenue generation after the tax cuts yet for some reason you buy the rhetoric of Bush officials on this issue. I am sure you bought all the rhetoric from the Bush Administration on other issues just like you did on this issue. by the way please explain to me why the U.S. Treasury Dept. doesn't show that Clinton surplus?

Too many people are out of touch with reality when it comes to taxes as they ignore that tax cuts mean more spendable income. why are liberals against that, think about it?
 
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The economic numbers say differently.

What economic numbers are you referring to? These numbers show something different.

Kinda looks to me that when a repug scores the Presidential office, they reduce taxes and like clockwork the real GDP takes a nosedive.When a dem gets in office and raise taxes, the real GDP goes up.

Don’t need a rocket scientist brain to figure this one out; even this old truck driver’s brain can follow two lines on a NIPA table. Line one and line ten.;)

Upon closer scrutiny you will also find that is the pattern for most of the Presidents since Hoover.When repugs get in, they wreck the economy,then the dems have to come in and clean up the mess.:(

Before you jump in and say LOOK AT OBAMAS NUMBERS, keep in mind that in his first year in office Obama also made a lot of big tax cuts,particularly during his first year, as part the stimulus which he and bush agreed upon.

Here is a few more links for you to spit on ….now see, that wasn’t so hard; was it? :mrgreen:


U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis


And here is where it all came from and a few more graphs to boot. It is all grounded upon your fav site.:2wave:

Presidents, the Tax Burden, and Economic Growth | Angry Bear
 
What economic numbers are you referring to? These numbers show something different.

Kinda looks to me that when a repug scores the Presidential office, they reduce taxes and like clockwork the real GDP takes a nosedive.When a dem gets in office and raise taxes, the real GDP goes up.

Don’t need a rocket scientist brain to figure this one out; even this old truck driver’s brain can follow two lines on a NIPA table. Line one and line ten.;)

Upon closer scrutiny you will also find that is the pattern for most of the Presidents since Hoover.When repugs get in, they wreck the economy,then the dems have to come in and clean up the mess.:(

Before you jump in and say LOOK AT OBAMAS NUMBERS, keep in mind that in his first year in office Obama also made a lot of big tax cuts,particularly during his first year, as part the stimulus which he and bush agreed upon.

Here is a few more links for you to spit on ….now see, that wasn’t so hard; was it? :mrgreen:


U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis


And here is where it all came from and a few more graphs to boot. It is all grounded upon your fav site.:2wave:

Presidents, the Tax Burden, and Economic Growth | Angry Bear

Amazing how some people have such passion for raising tax revenue on the American taxpayer. Not sure exactly what you are looking at because not only did GDP go up after the tax cuts and an increase in GDP increases tax revenue as does the tax cuts increase the number of taxpayers. Reagan cut taxes 25% and GDP Doubled, GW Bush cut taxes and the GDP grew from 9.9 trillion to 14.5 trillion. Get someone to help you read the charts.
 
Amazing how some people have such passion for raising tax revenue on the American taxpayer. Not sure exactly what you are looking at because not only did GDP go up after the tax cuts and an increase in GDP increases tax revenue as does the tax cuts increase the number of taxpayers. Reagan cut taxes 25% and GDP Doubled, GW Bush cut taxes and the GDP grew from 9.9 trillion to 14.5 trillion. Get someone to help you read the charts.


Check the numbers out conservative; you will see that “real growth” between the years of 1960, through 2002, shows "real growth" averaged 4.09 percent during dem years, 2.75 percent in repug years.

How about the ole bugaboo of gubment spending? WELL….under the repugs it was 20.87% of gdp as apposed to 19.58 % for the dems. Even inflation is/was lower under the dem years (wow, shocking when you consider that Carter was during this time frame :shock:) 3.81% compared with 4.85%.

Then you have the annual deficits with the repugs leading the charge with a 2.74 % of gdp, versus the dems 1.21% of gdp.
 
Check the numbers out conservative; you will see that “real growth” between the years of 1960, through 2002, shows "real growth" averaged 4.09 percent during dem years, 2.75 percent in repug years.

How about the ole bugaboo of gubment spending? WELL….under the repugs it was 20.87% of gdp as apposed to 19.58 % for the dems. Even inflation is/was lower under the dem years (wow, shocking when you consider that Carter was during this time frame :shock:) 3.81% compared with 4.85%.

Then you have the annual deficits with the repugs leading the charge with a 2.74 % of gdp, versus the dems 1.21% of gdp.

so tell us why do you spend so much time arguing in favor of your fellow citizens having more of their wealth taken by the government.
 
so tell us why do you spend so much time arguing in favor of your fellow citizens having more of their wealth taken by the government.

Because your so deserving. :2wave:
 
The economic numbers say differently. I have never seen so much passion on the part of some when it comes to others keeping more of their own money.
Well, I've never seen such denial on the part of some who think that paying less taxes will pay for the debt that Bush's tax cuts created. Whats even more astonishing is those same people not only want to pass their debt from the tax cuts and Bush's dirty little war onto future generations but they want to increase that debt by cutting more taxes. Geez, talk about welfare, or should I say stealing other peoples money?

I suggest you check out the bureau of economic analysis to see economic growth during the Bush years after those tax cuts. Then go to the U.S. Treasury Dept and see the revenue generation after the tax cuts yet for some reason you buy the rhetoric of Bush officials on this issue. I am sure you bought all the rhetoric from the Bush Administration on other issues just like you did on this issue. by the way please explain to me why the U.S. Treasury Dept. doesn't show that Clinton surplus?
I suggest you check the CBO statistics since those are the figures that matter in this discussion. In regards to your question, "please explain to me why the U.S. Treasury Dept. doesn't show that Clinton surplus?" Because Clinton's surplus was a budget projection made by the CBO for congress. Those are the statistics you should be looking at since it is congress that makes the budget and decides where the money should be spent, not the Treasury. To help alleviate your confusion.....

Treasury serves a purpose parallel to that of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for the estimation of revenues and spending for the executive branch.

The Joint Committee on Taxation does the estimation of revenues for Congress, and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) does the estimation of spending for Congress.

"Before the Bush tax cuts were enacted the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projected gradually rising federal budget surpluses—from 2.7% of GDP in 2001 to 5.3% of GDP by 2011. Within a few years, CBO was projecting budget deficits. The Bush tax cuts, with a $1 trillion 10-year price tag, contributed to this shift from budget surpluses to deficits"....read.
http://op.bna.com/dt.nsf/id/egrr-8apued/$File/crs.bush.tax.cuts.10.27.pdf

Tax cuts = less tax revenue = budget deficit

Any economic gains made by the Bush's tax cuts was lost in the $3 trillion debt they created.

Too many people are out of touch with reality when it comes to taxes as they ignore that tax cuts mean more spendable income. why are liberals against that, think about it?
Have you considered that your reality is based more on misinformation and wishful thinking than fact based analysis? Think about that.
 
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The neverending lie-tax cuts cause a deficit. NO ITS SPENDING THAT CAUSES A DEFICIT

constantly whining that the rich need to pay more only buys dems the votes of people who are envious

it doesn't solve the deficit
 
Check the numbers out conservative; you will see that “real growth” between the years of 1960, through 2002, shows "real growth" averaged 4.09 percent during dem years, 2.75 percent in repug years.

How about the ole bugaboo of gubment spending? WELL….under the repugs it was 20.87% of gdp as apposed to 19.58 % for the dems. Even inflation is/was lower under the dem years (wow, shocking when you consider that Carter was during this time frame :shock:) 3.81% compared with 4.85%.

Then you have the annual deficits with the repugs leading the charge with a 2.74 % of gdp, versus the dems 1.21% of gdp.

There have only been three times in modern history, JFK, Reagan, and GW Bush, where rates were cut and those years there was strong economic growth as I have pointed on and which you have failed to understand. Again why the passion to raise taxes as that is the issue.
 
Moot;1059083637]Well, I've never seen such denial on the part of some who think that paying less taxes will pay for the debt that Bush's tax cuts created. Whats even more astonishing is those same people not only want to pass their debt from the tax cuts and Bush's dirty little war onto future generations but they want to increase that debt by cutting more taxes. Geez, talk about welfare, or should I say stealing other peoples money?

Do you work for the govt, or are you in school and don't pay any taxes at all? Only in the liberal world are tax cuts an expense to the Federal Govt. Tax rate cuts have only happened three times in modern history, JFK, Reagan, and Bush and during all three Administrations GDP Grew as did Govt. revenue.

I suggest you check the CBO statistics since those are the figures that matter in this discussion. In regards to your question, "please explain to me why the U.S. Treasury Dept. doesn't show that Clinton surplus?" Because Clinton's surplus was a budget projection made by the CBO for congress. Those are the statistics you should be looking at since it is congress that makes the budget and decides where the money should be spent, not the Treasury. To help alleviate your confusion.....

The CBO for some reason has credibility but only when it makes claims that you support. The Treasury shows where the money was spent and somehow in your world that isn't accurate. Where it is supposed to be spent and where it WAS spent are two different things. There was an increase in debt every year of Bill Clinton thus no surplus.

Treasury serves a purpose parallel to that of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for the estimation of revenues and spending for the executive branch.

The Joint Committee on Taxation does the estimation of revenues for Congress, and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) does the estimation of spending for Congress.

The Treasury Dept. shows where the money was spent and that is all that matters, money spent and revenue collected. Clinton added 1.3 trillion to the debt and no year during his Administration did the dbet go down.

"Before the Bush tax cuts were enacted the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projected gradually rising federal budget surpluses—from 2.7% of GDP in 2001 to 5.3% of GDP by 2011. Within a few years, CBO was projecting budget deficits. The Bush tax cuts, with a $1 trillion 10-year price tag, contributed to this shift from budget surpluses to deficits"....read.
http://op.bna.com/dt.nsf/id/egrr-8apued/$File/crs.bush.tax.cuts.10.27.pdf

Tax cuts = less tax revenue = budget deficit

Tax rate cuts=higher consumer spending=greater demand=more jobs=more govt. revenue. Why the passion for higher taxes and no apparent concern over how the money is spent?

Any economic gains made by the Bush's tax cuts was lost in the $3 trillion debt they created.

Tax cuts didn't create the debt, spending and the recession caused by the financial bubble bursting did.


Have you considered that your reality is based more on misinformation and wishful thinking than fact based analysis? Think about that.


I prefer to base my reality on actual results, not rhetoric or partisan policy that ignores spending and promotes taking more money from the American people
 
There have only been three times in modern history, JFK, Reagan, and GW Bush, where rates were cut and those years there was strong economic growth as I have pointed on and which you have failed to understand. Again why the passion to raise taxes as that is the issue.

Typical conservative dodge.

I’ve posted the links to the “NIPI tables” that contains the info from one of your so-called fav sources (the Bureau of Economic Analysis’) and all you can come up with is your opinion that,

“There have only been three times in modern history, JFK, Reagan, and GW Bush, where rates were cut and those years there was strong economic growth as I have pointed on and which you have failed to understand. “


Here is a link that has Inflation data from the years I cited, run the numbers yourself and you will see (if you take your blinders off) that you are wrong…yet again.


Historical Inflation data from 1914 to the present
 
Typical conservative dodge.

I’ve posted the links to the “NIPI tables” that contains the info from one of your so-called fav sources (the Bureau of Economic Analysis’) and all you can come up with is your opinion that,

Here is a link that has Inflation data from the years I cited, run the numbers yourself and you will see (if you take your blinders off) that you are wrong…yet again.


Historical Inflation data from 1914 to the present

Donc, keep trying to sell the principle that the govt. needs the money more than the American people need to keep their own money. How much more are you sending in each month over your withholding so that you can help the govt. do what you perceive is their responsibility, to provide cradle to grave coverage and take on more personal responsibility issues. Seems that the American public spoke on Tuesday.
 
Donc, keep trying to sell the principle that the govt. needs the money more than the American people need to keep their own money. How much more are you sending in each month over your withholding so that you can help the govt. do what you perceive is their responsibility, to provide cradle to grave coverage and take on more personal responsibility issues. Seems that the American public spoke on Tuesday.


Do you post so much s*** that you don’t remember what you post? Let me take you back to post #1172 where you posted this
” You nuts? Tax rate cuts did increase govt. revenue as the U.S. Treasury shows. Also GDP growth and unemployment numbers between 2003-2007 refute the liberal rhetoric “

to mertex.

Then again in post #1185 you stated this
” I suggest you check out the bureau of economic analysis to see economic growth during the Bush years after those tax cuts. “

to moot.

I could go on if I wanted to but anyone that’s reading can get a clear picture where I’m going with this.

Just pointing out how you like to divert when presented with facts showing your wrong.Plus I linked to the page, which you never do. Hhhmm wonder why that is? ;)

Now here you are, on page 192 of a thread that has been derailed a dozen times desperately trying of argue about….dems trying to grab some tax money from you. :roll:

I may be a dumb ole truck driver but even us dumb ole truck drivers occasionally have a lucid moment.In other words, I have become wise to your bulls***.Just address what I posted or just...keep on diverting.Whatever. :mrgreen:
 
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Do you post so much s*** that you don’t remember what you post? Let me take you back to post #1172 where you posted this to mertex.

Then again in post #1185 you stated this to moot. I could go on if I wanted to but anyone that’s reading can get a clear picture where I’m going with this.

Just pointing out how you like to divert when presented with facts showing your wrong.Plus I linked to the page, which you never do. Hhhmm wonder why that is? ;)

Now here you are, on page 192 of a thread that has been derailed a dozen times desperately trying of argue about….dems trying to grab some tax money from you. :roll:

I may be a dumb ole truck driver but even us dumb ole truck drivers occasionally have a lucid moment.In other words, I have become wise to your bulls***.Just address what I posted or just...keep on diverting.Whatever. :mrgreen:

I stand by those posts as BEA.gov supports that claim, not sure now what your point is. I know a lot of smart truck drivers that were supportive of the GOP Wave election on Tuesday. Apparently you need to wise up to your own Bull**** because the role of the govt. was never intended to be what it is today. The fact is it is the American consumer that drives this economy and until you go to actual results and stop changing them you aren't going to have a lot of credibility.
 
This is the way the majority of the nation works and that helps explain why we are in a bad situation:

Top 100 School Administrators Salaries and Pensions - Illinois 2007
Posted: June 08, 2008

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By Bill Zettler

MAKE THIS STORY GO VIRAL -- You Thought California State Pensions Were Out Of Control? Wait Until You See This List From*Illinois - Home - The Daily Bail

All the meanwhile politicians have people fighting about the rich, they are giving themselves inflated pensions and salaries.
 
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I stand by those posts as BEA.gov supports that claim, not sure now what your point is.

Then show me the link that backs up your OPINION. Not just a link to a generic site but need the page number as well.
 
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