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Census finds record gap between rich and poor

Troubadour said:
This is not rocket science: An economy is a system to benefit people, not a sacred vessel that emanates magic powers so long as no one touches it.



Free enterprise and capitalism exist in every country where they're not actively suppressed, including those where private greed and public weakness has torn society to shreds. Our country is about something much more important than that. As to what made America great, I can think of a few things other than business - as apparently could the people who put their blood on the line to found it:

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - Thomas Jefferson



Conservatives often assume that everything they hear comes from somewhere else, perhaps because their own ideas are so rarely the product of independent thought. Well, rest assured, regardless of how your own politics comes about, everything you hear from me directly reflects my own thoughts and feelings. I don't claim to be totally original - everyone who does is just ignorant of history - but don't invent some shadow forces to account for my ideas simply because yours may have been received unquestioningly from talk radio or cable news. It's just us talking here: There is nobody to hold your hand while you flounder to defend the indefensible, and nobody is telling me what to say other than my own perceptions and intelligence. So stop trying to dodge the issues.
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It would probably help your position if you got out into the real world and developed some street smarts instead of keeping your nose buried in the books devloping only book smarts. Human behavior is something book smart individuals will never understand.
 
Conservative said:
It would probably help your position if you got out into the real world and developed some street smarts instead of keeping your nose buried in the books developing only book smarts.
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:lol: If there's one thing conservative economics provides average people in abundance, it's knowledge about the streets. And whether it's in books, on streets, on sidewalks, in elevators, or sitting on chaise lounges sipping martinis, I'm right and you're wrong - and I think we both know that.
 
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Conservative said:
It would probably help your position if you got out into the real world and developed some street smarts instead of keeping your nose buried in the books devloping only book smarts. Human behavior is something book smart individuals will never understand.
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LOL, yep, arrogance is a liberal trait. I only hope I am around when you come to the realization of just "how right" you really are.
 
Troubadour said:
:lol: If there's one thing conservative economics provides average people in abundance, it's knowledge about the streets. And whether it's in books, on streets, on sidewalks, in elevators, or sitting on chaise lounges sipping martinis, I'm right and you're wrong - and I think we both know that.
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So you won't be explaining then?
 
Conservative said:
LOL, yep, arrogance is a liberal trait. I only hope I am around when you come to the realization of just "how right" you really are.
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Arrogance is a trait that has no particular political identity. Indeed, every politician - regardless of party affiliation is arrogant to a degree.

Anyone who deigns to know that their ideas are better than others is also pretty arrogant.
 
Conservative said:
How does any true Libertarian believe that Obama is a better President than GW Bush? That flies in the face of the basic principles of being a Libertarian. Obama is a Libertarian nightmare, massive expansion of govt. and regulations.
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We had the largest expansion of govt in history under bush responsable for its size today, what are you on about?
 
SE102 said:
We had the largest expansion of govt in history under bush responsable for its size today, what are you on about?
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LOL, prove it! The actual facts from the Treasury Dept. say you are wrong. Obama has put Bush spending on steroids thus govt. expansion.
 
Conservative said:
Obama has put Bush spending on steroids thus govt. expansion.
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:doh:

"We have now presided over the largest increase in the size of government since the Great Society," said Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White House, during the first presidential debate.

That, in fact, was an understatement. No president since FDR — who offered a New Deal to pull the nation out of the Great Depression and then fought World War II — has presided over as rapid a growth in government when measured as a percentage of the total economy.
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From a right wing source too...
Big government gets bigger - Washington Times

I'll wait for you to post after youve eaten your hat.
 
SE102 said:
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From a right wing source too...
Big government gets bigger - Washington Times

I'll wait for you to post after youve eaten your hat.
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Thanks for the September 2008 article. Have you checked the size of the budget in 2010 and the amount of money Obama has spent? Bush had nothing to do with the 2010 budget which is representative of the size of govt. By the way please cite for me one trillion dollar deficit that Bush had. Thanks.
 
I'm conducting a study, I'm going around to every thread seeing if they all eventually melt into a Republican vs Democrat fight instead of staying on the issue. This one melted.
 
Johnny DooWop said:
I'm conducting a study, I'm going around to every thread seeing if they all eventually melt into a Republican vs Democrat fight instead of staying on the issue. This one melted.
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You are wrong, it boils down to a liberal vs. a conservative argument at least with me.
 
Conservative said:
You are wrong, it boils down to a liberal vs. a conservative argument at least with me.
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Go check every thread and see if you can find one that doesn't melt into a conservative/republican vs liberal/democrat fight.
 
Johnny DooWop said:
Go check every thread and see if you can find one that doesn't melt into a conservative/republican vs liberal/democrat fight.
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As I stated for me it is Conservative vs. Liberal, not Republican vs. Democrat. There are liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats. I am a Conservative, period.
 
This just in. Compared to myself, the gap between me at my richest vs me at my poorest is wider today than it has every been in my lifetime.
Can we get some legislation passed to address this outrageous issue please?
 
Conservative said:
Brilliant response, typical of someone who doesn't have a clue. Free enterprise and capitalism made this country great and the results are quite telling. Suggest get actual results instead of buying what you are told. Whoever is filling your head with bs is making you look foolish.
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Ever notice the pattern with Conservative. He starts off with an insult, followed by an implication that he knows something you done but wont share the details and ends with another insult. Its like an OCD
 
Conservative said:
LOL, prove it! The actual facts from the Treasury Dept. say you are wrong. Obama has put Bush spending on steroids thus govt. expansion.
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Insult, magical data confirming he is right followed by an insult.
 
Conservative said:
It would probably help your position if you got out into the real world and developed some street smarts instead of keeping your nose buried in the books devloping only book smarts. Human behavior is something book smart individuals will never understand.
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Insult no data insult.
 
ender1 said:
Ever notice the pattern with Conservative. He starts off with an insult, followed by an implication that he knows something you done but wont share the details and ends with another insult. Its like an OCD
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Details don't seem to matter to ideologues as I have posted detail after detail, facts after facts in this forum over and over again only to be ignored. You want the facts, go to bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Treasury site and you will get non partisan facts that refute those that support Obama and his agenda. Interesting that the facts refute the rhetoric about Bush driving the economy into the ditch but liberals will never let facts get in the way of their own opinions.
 
ender1 said:
Insult no data insult.
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Data that matters, U.S. Treasury data shows the budget of the United States which tells you the size of the govt. The current budget is 3.8 trillion dollars, up 200 billion over Bush's last budget and that increase had nothing to do with Bush. Obama deficits are (two) trillion dollar deficits and Bush never had even close to a trillion dollar deficits. So stop the baiting, get the facts, and stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Conservative said:
Details don't seem to matter to ideologues as I have posted detail after detail, facts after facts in this forum over and over again only to be ignored. You want the facts, go to bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Treasury site and you will get non partisan facts that refute those that support Obama and his agenda. Interesting that the facts refute the rhetoric about Bush driving the economy into the ditch but liberals will never let facts get in the way of their own opinions.
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Insult no data Insult
 
Conservative said:
Data that matters, U.S. Treasury data shows the budget of the United States which tells you the size of the govt. The current budget is 3.8 trillion dollars, up 200 billion over Bush's last budget and that increase had nothing to do with Bush. Obama deficits are (two) trillion dollar deficits and Bush never had even close to a trillion dollar deficits. So stop the baiting, get the facts, and stop embarrassing yourself.
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Maybe thats because President Bush messed things up so bad we have to dig our way out.
 
ender1 said:
Insult no data Insult
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LOL, The only data that matters right now is 16 million unemployed Americans, a recession that ended June 2009 and higher unemployment each month this year vs. last year, 4 million fewer employed people now vs. when Obama took office,, and 1.6% GDP growth.

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639 5634
2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883 6784
2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284 7696
2008 7628 7435 7793 7631 8397 8560 8895 9509 9569 10172 10617 11400
2009 11919 12714 13310 13816 14518 14721 14534 14993 15159 15612 15340 15267
2010 14837 14871 15005 15260 14973 14623 14599 14860 14767

Discouraged workers
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209

Unemployed + Discouraged
2008 8095 7831 8194 8043 8797 8980 9356 9890 10036 10656 11225 12042
2009 12653 13445 13995 14556 15310 15514 15330 15751 15865 16420 16201 16196
2010 15902 16075 15999 16457 16056 15830 15784 15970 15976 0 0 0

60 Minutes: Unemployment is really bad | The Right Scoop
 
ender1 said:
Maybe thats because President Bush messed things up so bad we have to dig our way out.
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Yep, that is the liberal line which normally comes from people who haven't a clue how the govt. works. Why aren't you asking your Congressional Representatives for your tax dollars back that pays them their salary for allowing a "dumb cowboy" from TX to take this economy off the cliff. Problem is the actual numbers only show the economy going off the cliff AFTER the Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007.


GDP Trillions

2001 10,286.20
2002 10,642.30
2003 11,142.10
2004 11,867.80
2005 12,638.40
2006 13,398.90
2007 14,077.60
2008 14,441.40
2009 14,256.30
 
Conservative said:
Yep, that is the liberal line which normally comes from people who haven't a clue how the govt. works. Why aren't you asking your Congressional Representatives for your tax dollars back that pays them their salary for allowing a "dumb cowboy" from TX to take this economy off the cliff. Problem is the actual numbers only show the economy going off the cliff AFTER the Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007.


GDP Trillions

2001 10,286.20
2002 10,642.30
2003 11,142.10
2004 11,867.80
2005 12,638.40
2006 13,398.90
2007 14,077.60
2008 14,441.40
2009 14,256.30
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But you realize that was due to the economic crisis created under President Bush right.
 
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