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Census finds record gap between rich and poor

That ability is being destroyed by our government, not by the rich folks. Taking money from rich people isn't going to fix any of that.

see, that's where we don't agree. paying a fair share, whatever that may be, has to be mandated, because people are inherently greedy. on the flip side, we need responsible stewardship of our money. right now, we are spending because we have to.
 
see, that's where we don't agree. paying a fair share, whatever that may be, has to be mandated, because people are inherently greedy. on the flip side, we need responsible stewardship of our money. right now, we are spending because we have to.

It already is mandated.

Spending because he have to? How do you figger that? You can't spend your way out of a financial problem. obviously, it's not doing any good.
 
It already is mandated.

Spending because he have to? How do you figger that? You can't spend your way out of a financial problem. obviously, it's not doing any good.

what would you cut, exactly?
 
what would you cut, exactly?

Oh, I dunno, giving $2 billion to Brazil for offshore drilling, fewer entitlements, cut spending on the study of the effect of cocaine on monkies, deer underpasses, turtle tunnels, Congress' salaries, government funded abortions, cash for clunkers.

Just a few things off the top of my head.

Where would you do some cutting?


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You didnt answer the question.
If the complant here is that the gap between the wealthy and the poor is too great, that said gap must be narrowed, and that the rich should facilitate this thru higher taxes, how are we NOT talking about the redistribution of wealth?
Redistribution of wealth is when the rich steal from the poor. History has proven that too much money concentrated in the hands of a few creates an authoritarian, corporate, oligarchy and which are always tyrannical. But the way most rightwingers refer to "redistrubtion of wealth" is straight out of the extremist John Birch Society handbook.
 
But the way most rightwingers refer to "redistrubtion of wealth" is straight out of the extremist John Birch Society handbook.
Is there anything the JBS isn't responsible for? :lamo
 
Cool, let's just keep soaking everyone so we're all equally miserable. God Bless America!!

No, but we are bette roff as a country with a strong middle class. Having a huge divide where there are rich and poor and not much inbetween is a bad sign for the country overall.
 
No, but we are bette roff as a country with a strong middle class. Having a huge divide where there are rich and poor and not much inbetween is a bad sign for the country overall.

why can't people understand this?
 
Its not a little bit funny. The liberals have this mind set that the poor have failed because the rich steal from them. Good lord...what a joke. The poor FAIL because they did a piss poor job of preparing themselves for a future. They didnt work in high school. They didnt plan on positive careers. They didnt recognize they screwed up and then set about to work twice as hard to build a future for themselves and their family. They didnt take advantages of the numerous programs out there to help people succeed. No...they failed because they failed. Period. And the democrats feed them little crumbs and tell them "dont worry, dear pathetic little voter...its not your fault, dear little dependent voter...its the rich that STOLE from you. We'll take care of you. We'll make everything right. Just keep voting us back into office and we'll fix everything..."

Pathetic. Just ****ing pathetic.
 
Redistribution of wealth is when the rich steal from the poor. History has proven that too much money concentrated in the hands of a few creates an authoritarian, corporate, oligarchy and which are always tyrannical. But the way most rightwingers refer to "redistrubtion of wealth" is straight out of the extremist John Birch Society handbook.

Redistribution of wealth, is also when the government punishes success, so they can provide welfare checks for people who are too damned lazy to get out and get a job.
 
No, but we are bette roff as a country with a strong middle class. Having a huge divide where there are rich and poor and not much inbetween is a bad sign for the country overall.

The government can't create that middle class.
 
Its not a little bit funny. The liberals have this mind set that the poor have failed because the rich steal from them. Good lord...what a joke. The poor FAIL because they did a piss poor job of preparing themselves for a future. They didnt work in high school. They didnt plan on positive careers. They didnt recognize they screwed up and then set about to work twice as hard to build a future for themselves and their family. They didnt take advantages of the numerous programs out there to help people succeed. No...they failed because they failed. Period. And the democrats feed them little crumbs and tell them "dont worry, dear pathetic little voter...its not your fault, dear little dependent voter...its the rich that STOLE from you. We'll take care of you. We'll make everything right. Just keep voting us back into office and we'll fix everything..."

Pathetic. Just ****ing pathetic.

Not sure I accept your view of what the left, whoever they are, think, but I know I don't accept your view of every failure. Do you really believe everyone can be doctors and lawyers? Are there no limitations in life? No margin for error. No place where good people get it wrong or suffer form circumstance?

While some maybe to forgiving, I find your view just as misguided in the other direction.
 
The government can't create that middle class.

Not saying they can. But like anything else, they can be supportive or hindering. And I am saying we, the people, should be concerned about a shrinking middle class.
 
Not saying they can. But like anything else, they can be supportive or hindering. And I am saying we, the people, should be concerned about a shrinking middle class.

We should be concerned how our current government is killing the middle class.
 
We should be concerned how our current government is killing the middle class.

Can you demonstrate objectively (not subjectively) that the government is what is killing the middle class?
 
Not sure I accept your view of what the left, whoever they are, think, but I know I don't accept your view of every failure. Do you really believe everyone can be doctors and lawyers? Are there no limitations in life? No margin for error. No place where good people get it wrong or suffer form circumstance?

While some maybe to forgiving, I find your view just as misguided in the other direction.

People can acheive anything they set out to acheive. Obviously not everyone ASPIRES to be a doctor. But the only barrier is themselves and their own personal drive and motivation. I dont care what your family background is. If you decide you will by damn succeed then you will. That takes a willingness to follow the economy, the industries, the markets. And it takes work...hard work and sacrifice. But I guarandamntee ya...if you have failed in life you have NO ONE to blame but yourself.
 
Can you demonstrate objectively (not subjectively) that the government is what is killing the middle class?

Providing incentive to not work, to not excel, to lay down and be taken care of. The unlimited extension of unemployment benfits is a good place to start. Just as a start.
 
Providing incentive to not work, to not excel, to lay down and be taken care of. The unlimited extension of unemployment benfits is a good place to start. Just as a start.

I think that is just so much garbage. I don't know anyone who is laying down and wanting to be cared for. not saying you might not find someone, but I know of nothing that hows a significant number of peope are laying down. Again, any OBJECTIVE evidence?
 
People can acheive anything they set out to acheive. Obviously not everyone ASPIRES to be a doctor. But the only barrier is themselves and their own personal drive and motivation. I dont care what your family background is. If you decide you will by damn succeed then you will. That takes a willingness to follow the economy, the industries, the markets. And it takes work...hard work and sacrifice. But I guarandamntee ya...if you have failed in life you have NO ONE to blame but yourself.

Not sure that's true. I don't think Woody Allen could have ever been Micheal Jorden. People have real limitations both personally and societally. When a group has a hill to claimb, for example, it is not reasonable to expect all will be able to claimb that hill. Only the exceptal will. One of the problems with American mythology is that it blinds some to the real obstacles people face, and allow the ignorant to blame people for things that may not be their fault. heck, many even blame themselfs too harshly.

Now, this doesn't mean we give up. But we should at least understand the difficulties and know that some will fail, even if they try.
 
Census finds record gap between rich and poor



Even if the release of this was timed, it's still relevant to the midterms and taxes.

Now is not the time to give an additional tax break to the wealthy and super-wealthy.

I seriously doubt the accuracy of these articles. I am in a family that earns more than 200,000 dollars a year. And honestly we should be some of the last that needs to pay higher taxes as seeing as to how close to 80,000 already goes to taxes and then you need to add money that is needed when bad tenants do not want to pay, etc. Money flies and what are we left with is an uncertain amount and the worse part is that now the government wants TO CONTINUE raising money. And for what? Because they drew all of us into a big hole that they cannot get out of without stopping to spend money. The government doesn't care about what it does to families like ours or even decent families. What they care are about stats and that is NOT a good thing to go on. Trust me people will not stop complaining that is human nature. But really I doubt that the wealthiest(those who earn over 100k) of individuals all earned the same pay raise. Because be realistic, people like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates ALL earn nine figures or more easily. And that tends on shooting up the stats for the "rich".
 
I think that is just so much garbage. I don't know anyone who is laying down and wanting to be cared for. not saying you might not find someone, but I know of nothing that hows a significant number of peope are laying down. Again, any OBJECTIVE evidence?

Hell Ive seen people HERE on this site say as much...why would I go to work for less than what the government will pay me? Employers in Detroit have said it...they have construction jobs but cant get people to work for less than what their unemployment will pay. People that by golly went to school to be a comptroller and are going to hold out til they find a good paying comptroller job. Call it garbage if you will but there is a REASON why those people hit the end of their rainbow and STILL dont have jobs...and now dont have the taxpayers to pay for them. There is a reason why actual unemployment is significantly higher than
 
Not sure that's true. I don't think Woody Allen could have ever been Micheal Jorden. People have real limitations both personally and societally. When a group has a hill to claimb, for example, it is not reasonable to expect all will be able to claimb that hill. Only the exceptal will. One of the problems with American mythology is that it blinds some to the real obstacles people face, and allow the ignorant to blame people for things that may not be their fault. heck, many even blame themselfs too harshly.

Now, this doesn't mean we give up. But we should at least understand the difficulties and know that some will fail, even if they try.

Woody Allen couldnt have been Michael Jordan, but Spudd Webb could be Spudd Webb. And maybe Woody isnt good enough to play pro ball so he works his ass off to become Jeff Van Gundy...successful still working in the basketball realm. You may not be able to BE Bill Gates but nothing would stop you from creating a successful computer store or becoming a promrammer, or designer. You cant be the queen OF England but you can be a queen IN England. Or...you can make excuses why you cant succeed. And then blame the rich people for stealing your money hopes and dreams.

Nope...not buying it. You fail because you didnt work to succeed...Because mommy and daddy pampered you and didnt expect you to succeed. Because you made a bunch of stupid decisions that got in the way of your success. A million excuses...but they arent on the rich...they are on the individual.
 
Redistribution of wealth is when the rich steal from the poor.
This is absurd on its face, ans the poor, by definition, have nothing to steal.
 
This is absurd on its face, ans the poor, by definition, have nothing to steal.

Hell Im just waiting to see how the other rich are doing it because apparently Im doing it wrong. Im working several jobs, going to school, saving money, creating a great present and positive future. Hell...who knew all I had to do is knock some weenie poor person down and steal their government lunch money.

Its whiney liberal class warfare bull****. Its ridiculous on its face, pathetic to the core. Wah...its not my fault...the rich stole my money...

Good lord...grow a set.
 
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