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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Then why do you constantly spit out nonsense about people being motivated by envy instead of addressing their arguments? It seems like you've decided you can't argue with some of the points I'm making, so you just have to invalidate me as a person. If you sincerely believed in your position, you could argue it - but you've chosen instead to attack everyone who criticizes it, and that's not impressive. It's the attitude of someone defending besieged religious beliefs, not someone with a realistic, common-sense political position.



    They're not. One way or another, tax policies affect the lives and livelihoods of human beings, and there is intrinsic moral content in such decisions. You cannot remove that moral content by ignoring it - all you can do is respect or violate it.



    Then "Go Galt" and prove it - show America that you don't need it.



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    Absolutely - it's riddled with loopholes that under some circumstances allow the wealthy to pay less than their own employees. We subsidize polluters, and pay the corn industry to give children diabetes with below-market HFCs. We now permit the accumulation of dynastic inter-generational wealth, courtesy of Republican priorities.



    Not yet, but the trends are not encouraging.



    In a de-unionized economy where terms of employment are virtually dictated by employers, people get whatever their masters feel like giving them. It very much is distributed - the only difference is that now it's distributed to top-level executives. Employment is increasingly monopsonized. It begins to bear disturbing resemblances to manorialism.
    How about investing your own money, start your own business so you can pay employees what those employees think they are worth?

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    How about investing your own money, start your own business so you can pay employees what those employees think they are worth?
    How about starting your own country, so you can let a handful of unelected oligarchs boss around its people, use its resources and institutions as they please, and only pay in taxes what they feel like giving back? America is a country, first and foremost, and its economy exists to serve its people - not the other way around.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    How about starting your own country, so you can let a handful of unelected oligarchs boss around its people, use its resources and institutions as they please, and only pay in taxes what they feel like giving back? America is a country, first and foremost, and its economy exists to serve its people - not the other way around.



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    How about starting your own country, so you can let a handful of unelected oligarchs boss around its people, use its resources and institutions as they please, and only pay in taxes what they feel like giving back? America is a country, first and foremost, and its economy exists to serve its people - not the other way around.
    Brilliant response, typical of someone who doesn't have a clue. Free enterprise and capitalism made this country great and the results are quite telling. Suggest get actual results instead of buying what you are told. Whoever is filling your head with bs is making you look foolish.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

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    This is not rocket science: An economy is a system to benefit people, not a sacred vessel that emanates magic powers so long as no one touches it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Free enterprise and capitalism made this country great and the results are quite telling.
    Free enterprise and capitalism exist in every country where they're not actively suppressed, including those where private greed and public weakness has torn society to shreds. Our country is about something much more important than that. As to what made America great, I can think of a few things other than business - as apparently could the people who put their blood on the line to found it:

    I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - Thomas Jefferson

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Suggest get actual results instead of buying what you are told. Whoever is filling your head with bs is making you look foolish.
    Conservatives often assume that everything they hear comes from somewhere else, perhaps because their own ideas are so rarely the product of independent thought. Well, rest assured, regardless of how your own politics comes about, everything you hear from me directly reflects my own thoughts and feelings. I don't claim to be totally original - everyone who does is just ignorant of history - but don't invent some shadow forces to account for my ideas simply because yours may have been received unquestioningly from talk radio or cable news. It's just us talking here: There is nobody to hold your hand while you flounder to defend the indefensible, and nobody is telling me what to say other than my own perceptions and intelligence. So stop trying to dodge the issues.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    This is not rocket science: An economy is a system to benefit people, not a sacred vessel that emanates magic powers so long as no one touches it.



    Free enterprise and capitalism exist in every country where they're not actively suppressed, including those where private greed and public weakness has torn society to shreds. Our country is about something much more important than that. As to what made America great, I can think of a few things other than business - as apparently could the people who put their blood on the line to found it:

    I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - Thomas Jefferson



    Conservatives often assume that everything they hear comes from somewhere else, perhaps because their own ideas are so rarely the product of independent thought. Well, rest assured, regardless of how your own politics comes about, everything you hear from me directly reflects my own thoughts and feelings. I don't claim to be totally original - everyone who does is just ignorant of history - but don't invent some shadow forces to account for my ideas simply because yours may have been received unquestioningly from talk radio or cable news. It's just us talking here: There is nobody to hold your hand while you flounder to defend the indefensible, and nobody is telling me what to say other than my own perceptions and intelligence. So stop trying to dodge the issues.
    It would probably help your position if you got out into the real world and developed some street smarts instead of keeping your nose buried in the books devloping only book smarts. Human behavior is something book smart individuals will never understand.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    This is not rocket science: An economy is a system to benefit people, not a sacred vessel that emanates magic powers so long as no one touches it.


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    Again...



    WTF are you talking about?
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It would probably help your position if you got out into the real world and developed some street smarts instead of keeping your nose buried in the books developing only book smarts.
    If there's one thing conservative economics provides average people in abundance, it's knowledge about the streets. And whether it's in books, on streets, on sidewalks, in elevators, or sitting on chaise lounges sipping martinis, I'm right and you're wrong - and I think we both know that.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It would probably help your position if you got out into the real world and developed some street smarts instead of keeping your nose buried in the books devloping only book smarts. Human behavior is something book smart individuals will never understand.
    LOL, yep, arrogance is a liberal trait. I only hope I am around when you come to the realization of just "how right" you really are.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    If there's one thing conservative economics provides average people in abundance, it's knowledge about the streets. And whether it's in books, on streets, on sidewalks, in elevators, or sitting on chaise lounges sipping martinis, I'm right and you're wrong - and I think we both know that.


    So you won't be explaining then?
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