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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Get the facts before spouting rhetoric, what a great idea. Too bad you don't follow your own suggestions. But thank you for providing a wonderful example of the cognitive dissonance I was talking about.

    True libertarians don't just support "economic growth" blindly and with no concern as to how it was accomplished or what its consequences are. Did you know that Bush's Patriot Act is the most significant blow dealt to the rights of the accused since Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the civil war? You can't just point to a statistic taken out of context and ignore the fact that W. Bush was the worst president in history from a libertarian perspective. Obama is a huge disappointment for not repealing the Bush-era infringements on liberty, but this does not change the fact that it was Bush's fault to begin with. And that's to say nothing of the fact that Bush single handedly ruined our economy with two disastrous wars and economic policies that allowed "too big to fail" wall street robber-barons to extort billions in bailout money. There was nothing libertarian about Bush, and that is why it is so laughable to see so-called libertarians defend him.
    worst president in history from a libertarian perspective

    1) you have proven to everyone on this board that you aren't a libertarian so your perspective is worthless on this issue

    2) Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. FDR raped the tenth amendment and set a jurisprudential framework that expanded the federal government beyond all known boundaries, LBJ accentuated FDR's violations of the tenth amendment.

    W-he merely implemented the patriot act that Clinton had outlined the framework for

    cutting back on tax rates, the death tax and allowing the clinton gun ban to die are all things real libertarians approved of

    you forgetting FDR is the sign that your claim is idiotic



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Keep moving the goalposts. what did Bush do to cause the housing crisis? yes, the housing crisis lead to the financial problems.
    So now anything that happens under President Obama's watch is his fault but if something happens under President Bush's watch its not his fault. REALLY!

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    Dear lord man read the whle post. He agreed that he did not approve of President Obama's policy. Even said it was a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT. Yet all you can do is blindly defend President Bush by insulting people and yelling "OBAMA BAD".
    You are right, my error I forgot what thread I was on and responded based upon the other thread Was Bush a better President than Obama. I stand by my statement however with regards to the comparison between the two from a Libertarian point of view. There is no way any Libertarian given the choice between the two would take Obama over Bush.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    worst president in history from a libertarian perspective

    1) you have proven to everyone on this board that you aren't a libertarian so your perspective is worthless on this issue

    2) Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. FDR raped the tenth amendment and set a jurisprudential framework that expanded the federal government beyond all known boundaries, LBJ accentuated FDR's violations of the tenth amendment.

    W-he merely implemented the patriot act that Clinton had outlined the framework for

    cutting back on tax rates, the death tax and allowing the clinton gun ban to die are all things real libertarians approved of

    you forgetting FDR is the sign that your claim is idiotic
    I always figured you would be upset about the 16th.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) you have proven to everyone on this board that you aren't a libertarian so your perspective is worthless on this issue
    Yeah, yeah I'm aware that Turtle Dude's definition of "libertarian" is synonymous with "Republican." Spare me.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    2) Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. FDR raped the tenth amendment and set a jurisprudential framework that expanded the federal government beyond all known boundaries, LBJ accentuated FDR's violations of the tenth amendment.
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    you forgetting FDR is the sign that your claim is idiotic
    And your harping on FDR is a sign that you're just a mindless Beck-head and not a real libertarian at all. FDR was no worse than any other president. FDR's policies were indeed socialistic, but it's not like the alternative was a free market true libertarian paradise. From a libertarian perspective, United States government prior to the civil rights era were a hopeless mess anyway.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    cutting back on tax rates, the death tax and allowing the clinton gun ban to die are all things real libertarians approved of
    Nonsense. This kind of superficial understanding of libertarian principles is what causes all these Republicans to call themselves libertarians. It's pathetic, really.

    The libertarian ideal is no taxes for anybody, not less taxes for the rich. Government corruption creates such artificial market distortions that favor robber-barons hiding behind government-enforced liability shields, and it is inherently unlibertarian economic policy.

    Be honest, you don't really know what libertarianism is, do you?
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    So now anything that happens under President Obama's watch is his fault but if something happens under President Bush's watch its not his fault. REALLY!
    Not sure where you got that idea so carry on. Some here want to ignore that Obama was in the Congress during the Bush term and that Democrats controlled the Congress from 2007-2008. The recession began in December 2007 under Democrat Congressional Control. So Bush and the Democrats were responsible for that recession.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are right, my error I forgot what thread I was on and responded based upon the other thread Was Bush a better President than Obama. I stand by my statement however with regards to the comparison between the two from a Libertarian point of view. There is no way any Libertarian given the choice between the two would take Obama over Bush.
    I would take neither. I voted for Bob Barr.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are right, my error I forgot what thread I was on and responded based upon the other thread Was Bush a better President than Obama. I stand by my statement however with regards to the comparison between the two from a Libertarian point of view. There is no way any Libertarian given the choice between the two would take Obama over Bush.
    I agree, half of what Bush did was anti libertarian. I cannot think of a major policy issue that obama has pushed that would be on the same side as the libertarians except perhaps gays in the military and that's probably an issue that won't be a uniform position for the libertarians



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by ender1 View Post
    I would take neither. I voted for Bob Barr.
    That is a dodge, you only had two choices, Bush or Obama and their records

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not sure where you got that idea so carry on. Some here want to ignore that Obama was in the Congress during the Bush term and that Democrats controlled the Congress from 2007-2008. The recession began in December 2007 under Democrat Congressional Control. So Bush and the Democrats were responsible for that recession.
    Based upon what your doing I can divert this conversation any way I want to suit my point.

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