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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    They steal sweat equity. In other words, they steal time and effort. You can pay the poor dirt cheap to work for you and because they are poor they will take work where they can get it at whatever wage they can get it.

    The wealthy make a lot of money off the sweat equity of the working poor. And it is sweat equity that ultimately matters, because no matter how much capital you have, if you don't have sweat equity you have no production.
    Can you explain, in detail, how high earners "force" people to work at low wages?
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Can you explain, in detail, how high earners "force" people to work at low wages?
    Easily.

    By maintaining the gap between rich and poor, the wealthy of the country control the wages. The more poor people there are in the country, the more people there will be to work a lower wage, and thus the wage will remain low.

    In order to maintain the gap between rich and poor, the wealthy of the country seek fiscal policies that benefit them. For example, tax cuts for top earners, corporate welfare/bailouts, and defense contracts.

    And of course, they spread the nonsense that "tax cuts for the rich equals jobs for the poor". Not because it isn't true. More jobs are created, they are just low wage jobs which create more working poor and perpetuate the cycle of increasing and maintaining the gap between rich and poor.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Redistribution of wealth, is also when the government punishes success, so they can provide welfare checks for people who are too damned lazy to get out and get a job.
    There is redistribution of wealth going on, just not the direction you think it is. The wealthy used to hire Americans, but nowadays they are sending the jobs to China, India, etc. And the government gives them tax breaks for doing so. Blame the Republicans and a hand full of Democrats. Absolutely disgusting. Ole Sam Walton used to advertise "Made in America" no more.


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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Census finds record gap between rich and poor



    Even if the release of this was timed, it's still relevant to the midterms and taxes.

    Now is not the time to give an additional tax break to the wealthy and super-wealthy.
    Well - with record unemployment of course the gap grew
    Kind of a pointless no brainer realization, there.

    I guess this proves that without one being employed

    They don't earn as much money as they use to.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Easily.

    By maintaining the gap between rich and poor, the wealthy of the country control the wages. The more poor people there are in the country, the more people there will be to work a lower wage, and thus the wage will remain low.

    In order to maintain the gap between rich and poor, the wealthy of the country seek fiscal policies that benefit them. For example, tax cuts for top earners, corporate welfare/bailouts, and defense contracts.

    And of course, they spread the nonsense that "tax cuts for the rich equals jobs for the poor". Not because it isn't true. More jobs are created, they are just low wage jobs which create more working poor and perpetuate the cycle of increasing and maintaining the gap between rich and poor.
    Not one word of this does anything to explain how the policies that you describe as benefiting the rich serve to force the poor to take jobs paying low wages. Again, if you can, use specifics to explain how maintaining current tax rates on incomes over $250k forces Joe Smith to work at McDonalds.
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So you don't think a man's labor is worth anything? Have you ever heard of slavery? Stealing another man's labor is by definition slavery.
    If a business operator can't make a profit--profit enough to make a living--is hendered by tax hikes, then by your definition, the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, could be slavery.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    get an education and market yourself, make yourself valuable

    of course, simply being a decent person, hardworking, unselfish, knowing when to keep your mouth shut, respecting the people and institutions at your place of employment that predate your precious appearance, exercising patience and restraint, showing a little class, listening more than talking, talking about others not yourself and doing so with sympathy---these and hundreds of other traits of hi character help, they are very important

    quit whining and looking for handouts, quit making excuses and playing the victim

    your classiest neighbors are too fine to tell you, but i'm not---you're about to make the majority of honest americans puke

    the party's over
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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Census finds record gap between rich and poor



    Even if the release of this was timed, it's still relevant to the midterms and taxes.

    Now is not the time to give an additional tax break to the wealthy and super-wealthy.
    screwing the wealthy won't change this. It might make you feel better though since you seethe in class envy apparently



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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    and some of the rich don't mind stealing labor....if we are to believe some who post here, lower taxes on the rich is the only way to grow jobs. That is simple minded thinking. The rich get lower taxes, and offer lower wages to the desperate, and then feel like they have done a good thing.
    Altho I totally agree that many have not prepared for their future and deserve their situation, I also have seen upper management screw technicians and engineers out of fair wages so there would be more money left in the "basket" for themselves.
    Twice the place I last worked did that. Hired a bunch of engineers one time, a bunch of techs later on. When the new hires found out how lowly they had been hired compared to lazy non-producers already in the group, there was a lot of friction. management had to boost wages a lot all at once, or lose the new hires....
    Just like labor doesn't mind stealing money from the business operator. I've seen many's-a-worker screw, "the boss man", out of some wages. Let's don't pretend it don't happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Census finds record gap between rich and poor

    FORTY SEVEN in pelosi's temporary palace have now SIGNED on for TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH

    in times like these

    Dem letter: Keep tax cuts for rich - John Maggs - POLITICO.com

    do you really think bobby bright in montgomery and glenn nye in norfolk are gonna betray their stated principles just cuz it's a lame duck, just cuz they've been voted out

    look where this clueless leadership has delivered us---after all it's done, it never quite got around to every american's irs bill starting in jan 1

    it's a disgrace

    leadership has dearly earned what's coming to it

    seeya at the polls

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